Eagle: The real deal

[siucavflight]

Wow, That's what the pay is these days flying those new jets?

Question: I saw an Eagle jet in PHL, and it had American Connection on the fuselage, then I saw another plane in IND and it was an American Eagle plane, what's the deal with the names?

American Connection is sh!taqua.

 

[flyinhigh6165]

or Trans States

 

[jagmagic]

What I dont get is how people settle for these jobs that only pay 25k to start at best. I would never go the the regionals just because I cant afford too. For someone to come out of school and get a LGA base they cant afford to live anywhere in the NY area. And that is not just NY area. It is sad that pilots that have about on avg 50 peoples lives in there hands can get food stamps. Things need to change and change fast

 

[yaya]

Actually the rumour that I keep hearing is that AMR/Eagle are desparate to get the AA seniority numbered flowthrus off Eagle property and up to AA because they'll go from 18 yr RJ capt. pay ($83-$97/hr.) to first year S80/737 pay ($35/hour -- HUGE pay cut). For this very reason most of the flowthrus (especially those who are 50 yrs. old and up) do not want to go. At this point the comapany would have to offer some sort of financial incentive to get these guys to go. But none of it will play out apparently until the 2 ,850 furloughed (non flowthru) AA guys get the call first, otherwise APA would be all over the company, and they'd be right because the agreement does say they go as part of a newhire class. If AMR had their way they'd have probably started the recall process by offering positions to AE flowthrus. Management has said many times that Eagle's labor costs are too high and that we are waaaay too top heavy compared to other regionals. So look for AMR to work out some sort of arrangement with the flowthrus, possibly even the non-numbered ones because even if they can't get 18 yr. payscale guys over, they'll likely be more than happy with 15 yr. (1991 hires -- the majority of the non-numbered guys) going to AA. We'll have to wait and see what the powers that be decide.

The rumour I keep hearing is that your daughters are frequenting Esparza's on Wednesday nights and are not always leaving together...

 

[siucavflight]

The rumour I keep hearing is that your daughters are frequenting Esparza's on Wednesday nights and are not always leaving together...

What are their names?

 

[BoilerUP]

What I dont get is how people settle for these jobs that only pay 25k to start at best. I would never go the the regionals just because I cant afford too. For someone to come out of school and get a LGA base they cant afford to live anywhere in the NY area. And that is not just NY area. It is sad that pilots that have about on avg 50 peoples lives in there hands can get food stamps. Things need to change and change fast

Couple questions for ya:

Who'd you fly the Saab & Jball for, and what did that pay?
How many hours did you have when you got hired into the Hawker and/or CJ?

 

[DGdaPilot]

There's more than just pay when dealing with Eagle.
Becuase of Eagle I:
-Get car insurance for $98/month with full coverage on my new Hemi-powered car.
-Have done about 60 or so non-rev flights across the US and Caribbean on United, AA, Delta, etc...all for less than $500
-Get full health coverage for $100/month
-Frequently get 4 to 7 days off in a row, without using vacation time, depending on how I work my schedule
-Get a $600/month apartment for only $555.
-Good rates on certain hotel rooms.

.....I probably left a few things out.
I'd be hard pressed to find another non-airline job that can do for me what Eagle does.....it's NOT ALL about the pay.

 

[stlflyguy]

Letter 3 expires in May of 2008. What happens to flowthrus with AA seniority numbers has not been determined. Most likely an arbitrator will decide that.

In 18 months, most of the 400+ flowbacks will be gone. Great news for those with less than about sen. # 1600. Then if flowthru's are denied flow, and no new aircraft, then the movement grinds to a halt. IF the smaller RJ 's beging leaving and Eagle shrinks, then well..................you figure it out.

Bottom line right now, is that the Jury is still out on the future attractiveness of Eagle.

That's the most accurate assessment of Eagle that I've seen. The flowbacks will return to AA, the upgrades will happen, and then the stagnation will resume.

stlflyguy

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

There's more than just pay when dealing with Eagle.
Becuase of Eagle I:
-Get car insurance for $98/month with full coverage on my new Hemi-powered car.
-Have done about 60 or so non-rev flights across the US and Caribbean on United, AA, Delta, etc...all for less than $500
-Get full health coverage for $100/month
-Frequently get 4 to 7 days off in a row, without using vacation time, depending on how I work my schedule
-Get a $600/month apartment for only $555.
-Good rates on certain hotel rooms.

.....I probably left a few things out.
I'd be hard pressed to find another non-airline job that can do for me what Eagle does.....it's NOT ALL about the pay.

Get a job that requires a degree outside of aviation and the pay will be so much more that other than the flight benefits, all of which you listed is easily taken care of. My friends in their mid to late 30's working in investments all make over 100K each year with phenomenal perks. Went out for drinks with one buddy last week and he told me his bonus this year was over 150k. I doubt he gives a crap about flight benefits.

Mr. I.

 

[DGdaPilot]

Good for them. I like to fly. Me being happy is better than you being happy for me.

 

[siucavflight]

Get a job that requires a degree outside of aviation and the pay will be so much more that other than the flight benefits, all of which you listed is easily taken care of. My friends in their mid to late 30's working in investments all make over 100K each year with phenomenal perks. Went out for drinks with one buddy last week and he told me his bonus this year was over 150k. I doubt he gives a crap about flight benefits.

Mr. I.

See the problem with this logic is that I like my job, and making 1,000,000 a year as an investment banker would drive me insane. To each their own.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Actually there is no problem with that logic at all. They enjoy their jobs and are well paid for it as they should be. Our nation's proud regional jet pilots enjoy their jobs and are paid crap but shouldn't be. Personally I think the lowering of minimums is fantastic sign because it will eventually put pressure on those slimy companies to finally raise wages and benefits. Very simple laws of supply and demand.

Mr. I.

 

[siucavflight]

Actually there is no problem with that logic at all. They enjoy their jobs and are well paid for it as they should be. Our nation's proud regional jet pilots enjoy their jobs and are paid crap but shouldn't be. Personally I think the lowering of minimums is fantastic sign because it will eventually put pressure on those slimy companies to finally raise wages and benefits. Very simple laws of supply and demand.

Mr. I.

I agree, you really do have to do what makes you happy.

 

[I Hate Freight]

My friends in their mid to late 30's working in investments all make over 100K each year with phenomenal perks. Went out for drinks with one buddy last week and he told me his bonus this year was over 150k. I doubt he gives a crap about flight benefits.

I'd kill myself if I ever had to work in an office. I did it for ten months of my life and it was just horrible. Just like DG said, I like to fly. I like to be on the road and could never be confined to an office no matter the pay. Never.

 

[slick1]

Lower minimums,.....or......

(Quote):....."I think the lowering of minimums is fantastic sign because it will eventually put pressure on those slimy companies to finally raise wages and benefits. Very simple laws of supply and demand."
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Or purhaps........the FAA could mandate minimum flight experience for 121 First Officers! He11, the FAA says we need 1200 TT in order to fly a box in a C-172 (and get paid for it). Why would the government let us fly right seat in a 121 passenger operation with as little as 200 hours of flight experience?

Adopting 121 F/O minimums would:
(1) ensure that new hires had a reasonable amount of experience BEFORE being given the flight controls, in I.O.E., with 70 fare-paying (and unwitting) passengers sitting behind him/her.
(Read: save the FAA some embarrassment)

Adopting 121 F/O minimums would:
(2) ward off the eventual situation/embarrassment to ALL regional airlines when, (not "if"), some 250 hour Wonder-boy bends an airframe and injures or kills his passengers. Imagine the press (and plaintiff bar) getting ahold of THAT story line. "Hello, I'm Brian Williams. Tonight's lead story,....in a shocking and almost unfathomable development, NBS News has learned that one of the pilots involved in last weeks Puddlejump Airways incident was hired with only 250 hours of flight experience,...much less than the FAA requirements to fly even a bag of mail".
Ok. I know that statement's a bit misleading (comparing 121 SIC to 135 PIC). But we all know how the press (and lawyers) will play "fast and loose" with the facts.
(Read: save the regional airlines and their codeshare partners a lot of embarrassment).

And finally, adopting 121 F/O minimums would:
(3) reduce the regional airlines' supply of "qualified candidates", which goes back to the supply and demand argument. Mandate 121 F/O minimums and the supply of "qualified candidates" dramatically drops. The regional airlines would have to COMPETE FOR *OUR* SERVICES!
(Read: more appropriate wages).
Wouldn't that be nice, for a change.

Discuss amoungst yourselves, while I make some Kwaufee.

 

[pdub20s]

AE's insurance mins are 500/100 arent they?

 

[Flyer1015]

AE's insurance mins are 500/100 arent they?

Insurance mins are 400/100.



That is why to interview with Eagle with Flight Safety Academy's Direct Track program, you need at least 336 TT / 36 ME.

Why? Because in Direct Track, you pick up the rest of the 64 or so hours and that puts you at the mins of 400/100.

 

[FlyBunny]

What I dont get is how people settle for these jobs that only pay 25k to start at best. I would never go the the regionals just because I cant afford too. For someone to come out of school and get a LGA base they cant afford to live anywhere in the NY area. And that is not just NY area. It is sad that pilots that have about on avg 50 peoples lives in there hands can get food stamps. Things need to change and change fast

HHhmmmm....well, lets see...a CFI who's being paid less than $12/hr, logs about 30-60 hours a month on a 152/172/pa28, etc., with no benefits...and up pops a job flying a twin-turbine/jet Part 121 gig that pays $25k with solid benefits...sounds like you didn't pay attention to those details.

I think $25K/yr is pretty good for someone who wants to work 100 hours or less per month. Lets say you work another 60 hours or so in other non-flying job making $10/hr, and here you go...now you're making $32,200/year. Not bad at all!

 

[C-141/C-5]

HHhmmmm....well, lets see...a CFI who's being paid less than $12/hr, logs about 30-60 hours a month on a 152/172/pa28, etc., with no benefits...and up pops a job flying a twin-turbine/jet Part 121 gig that pays $25k with solid benefits...sounds like you didn't pay attention to those details.

I think $25K/yr is pretty good for someone who wants to work 100 hours or less per month. Lets say you work another 60 hours or so in other non-flying job making $10/hr, and here you go...now you're making $32,200/year. Not bad at all!

People like you have ruined this industry! This is a profession not a job. You shouldn't need a part time job on the side to pay the bills besides 32,000 is not a livable income. I laugh at 100 hours. You have forgotten to include the overnights that your not being paid for and time away from the family. Get a new attitude or this trend will continue to ruin what was once a great profession. I think I'm sick now. I need to punch the puching bag because your post is so disgusting. Let me guess MESA

 

[BoilerUP]

People like you have ruined this industry! This is a profession not a job. You shouldn't need a part time job on the side to pay the bills besides 32,000 is not a livable income. I laugh at 100 hours. You have forgotten to include the overnights that your not being paid for and time away from the family. Get a new attitude or this trend will continue to ruin what was once a great profession. I think I'm sick now. I need to punch the puching bag because your post is so disgusting. Let me guess MESA

32k is a very livable income in most parts of the country if you are single without a bunch of debt. With children or a stay-at-home spouse...you better make more or send wifey to work.

Other than that, FlyBunny has his points and you do as well. The primary flaw in Bunny's argument is TAFB (which you picked up on). Yeah I might only "work" 90 hours in a month, but I spent 375 hours away from base to fly those 90 hours. That's more than 15.5 days gone from home! That is one big reason flight crews (and OTR truckers, for that matter) should be well compensated for their work; compensation for the sacrificed home time in order to get the job done.

I thought about getting a job at the local Starbucks because I really like coffee and making a few more bucks towards savings or that new laptop wouldn't hurt...then I realized I would be a professional pilot making lattes to help make ends meet. The thought repulsed me, and I went to the gym instead.

 

[labbats]

HHhmmmm....well, lets see...a CFI who's being paid less than $12/hr, logs about 30-60 hours a month on a 152/172/pa28, etc., with no benefits...and up pops a job flying a twin-turbine/jet Part 121 gig that pays $25k with solid benefits...sounds like you didn't pay attention to those details.

I think $25K/yr is pretty good for someone who wants to work 100 hours or less per month. Lets say you work another 60 hours or so in other non-flying job making $10/hr, and here you go...now you're making $32,200/year. Not bad at all!

Spoken like someone who has never been on a 16 hour duty day or JM'd.

I've never heard anyone who has been in the 121 industry for one year speak like you do.

 

[siucavflight]

HHhmmmm....well, lets see...a CFI who's being paid less than $12/hr, logs about 30-60 hours a month on a 152/172/pa28, etc., with no benefits...and up pops a job flying a twin-turbine/jet Part 121 gig that pays $25k with solid benefits...sounds like you didn't pay attention to those details.

I think $25K/yr is pretty good for someone who wants to work 100 hours or less per month. Lets say you work another 60 hours or so in other non-flying job making $10/hr, and here you go...now you're making $32,200/year. Not bad at all!

wow, you have no idea. A 100 hour a month paying job means that you put in about 220 hours a month minimum, just wait to see what it is like.

 

[pgcfii2002]

I just saved $100 a year on my auto insurance.

 

[Rizzo]

Regional pilots are way underpaid. You are responsible for 50 lives (give or take depending on a/c) every time you fly. It is a highly specialized occupation that requires extensive training. You are also forced to retire at age 60 which lessens the amount of income you can earn over your lifetime, therefore you should make more. IMO, all regionals should start at a minimum of $30,000...none of thise $18,000 bullsh!t. But we can thank our fellow 'brothers' that are willing to wh0re themselves out for sh!t pay.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

HHhmmmm....well, lets see...a CFI who's being paid less than $12/hr, logs about 30-60 hours a month on a 152/172/pa28, etc., with no benefits...and up pops a job flying a twin-turbine/jet Part 121 gig that pays $25k with solid benefits...sounds like you didn't pay attention to those details.

I think $25K/yr is pretty good for someone who wants to work 100 hours or less per month. Lets say you work another 60 hours or so in other non-flying job making $10/hr, and here you go...now you're making $32,200/year. Not bad at all!

At least double the amount of time you actually work over what the paid time is. Do you think you're working when you pre-flight the airplane? Well, you aren't getting paid for that at the airlines. I wouldn't call the benefits offered at the regionals so solid either. As one poster pointed out, you shouldn't have to work a part-time job on the side just to make your bills. 32k is crap pay too. We're days away from 2007 for god's sake.

Mr. I.

 

[I Hate Freight]

I think $25K/yr is pretty good for someone who wants to work 100 hours or less per month. Lets say you work another 60 hours or so in other non-flying job making $10/hr, and here you go...now you're making $32,200/year. Not bad at all!

Not bad at all? I almost puked when I read this. Thank you, and those like you for keeping this industry in the dumper.