Eagle: The real deal

[crashmbern]

they are bypassing the flowthrough pilots. Some of the eagle flowthroughs have seniority on the APA list ahead of the guys who are being called.

 

[siucavflight]

A few months on the property shows.

Flowthru's are supposed to flow via new-hire class. AMR is bypassing the flowthru's and does not consider them furloughees with recall rights. ALPA has greived it (and will almost certainly lose).

It will take at least 18 months for all the flowback/furloughees to get back to AA. Letter 3 will expire by then and it will most likely require arbitration to see if the AA-seniority numbered flowthru's will flow. Those without numbers have already been torpedoed by AA.

New-hire class and Hashish don't mix.

Um, yeah, I am new to Eagle, but my father has been at AMR for a little while, and is a flow back, he does know what is happening, he got recalled and starts class JAN 3rd, no pilot has been bypassed as you might think. Once again people who dont know anything feel the need to speak on everything, NO ONE has been bypassed.

 

[crashmbern]

Have your dad look on the APA's seniority list. I was talking about Eagle flowthrough's who have seniority numbers at AA. They have seniority numbers at AA despite never being an AA pilot. They are being bypassed currently. ALPA has filed a greivance about it. When they became a Jet Captain at Eagle they opted for flowthrough and were given a seniority number at AA.

If they can eventually flowthrough to AA thats another 400 captains leaving eagle on top of the flowbacks.

 

[yaya]

Have your dad look on the APA's seniority list. I was talking about Eagle flowthrough's who have seniority numbers at AA. They have seniority numbers at AA despite never being an AA pilot. They are being bypassed currently. ALPA has filed a greivance about it. When they became a Jet Captain at Eagle they opted for flowthrough and were given a seniority number at AA.

If they can eventually flowthrough to AA thats another 400 captains leaving eagle on top of the flowbacks.

You are speaking of two different things. There are some Eagle "jet captains" with "AA numbers" but never made it to AA during the last hiring period. In order to get "recalled" one must have been a pilot on the property in the first place.

AMR didn't honor the "flowthrough" plan in good faith from the beginning. This is no secret. Eagle pilots that want to further complicate the whole recall by fouling up the process, are only serving their own selfishness. Get it straight

 

[jeroom]

How hard is it to get a job with AA when you work for AE? Is it a flow through? Or do they not give you any special treatment?

Yes, you'll get lube with KY before treatment

 

[siucavflight]

Have your dad look on the APA's seniority list. I was talking about Eagle flowthrough's who have seniority numbers at AA. They have seniority numbers at AA despite never being an AA pilot. They are being bypassed currently. ALPA has filed a greivance about it. When they became a Jet Captain at Eagle they opted for flowthrough and were given a seniority number at AA.

If they can eventually flowthrough to AA thats another 400 captains leaving eagle on top of the flowbacks.

I see you are a bit confused. I am talking about all of the flowback CAs we have at Eagle, they will be the first ones to be recalled, not one of the flowthroughs who have not been at AA before will be called untill all of the furloughs have been recalled, even though they have a number.

 

[Starscream]

Actually the rumour that I keep hearing is that AMR/Eagle are desparate to get the AA seniority numbered flowthrus off Eagle property and up to AA because they'll go from 18 yr RJ capt. pay ($83-$97/hr.) to first year S80/737 pay ($35/hour -- HUGE pay cut). For this very reason most of the flowthrus (especially those who are 50 yrs. old and up) do not want to go. At this point the comapany would have to offer some sort of financial incentive to get these guys to go. But none of it will play out apparently until the 2 ,850 furloughed (non flowthru) AA guys get the call first, otherwise APA would be all over the company, and they'd be right because the agreement does say they go as part of a newhire class. If AMR had their way they'd have probably started the recall process by offering positions to AE flowthrus. Management has said many times that Eagle's labor costs are too high and that we are waaaay too top heavy compared to other regionals. So look for AMR to work out some sort of arrangement with the flowthrus, possibly even the non-numbered ones because even if they can't get 18 yr. payscale guys over, they'll likely be more than happy with 15 yr. (1991 hires -- the majority of the non-numbered guys) going to AA. We'll have to wait and see what the powers that be decide.

 

[DGdaPilot]

And you get $500!

Welcome to last week dumbazz. Shhhh, don't tell anyone. It's a secret.....oh wait....... Nope it never was a secret.

 

[CJII]

how hard is it to get a job with eagle? are they hiring just about anyone? what is the interview process like?

 

[B747FR8DAWG]

No Bashing

The seat lock is one year. I've heard of guys going to training earlier but no guarantee.

Here's the most recent pay scale for FO's from the company website.

Years of Service / Turboprop / Turbojet​

1. $23.51 $23.51​
2. $25.27 $31.77​
3. $28.15 $34.49​
4. $31.05 $36.20​
5. $32.49 $37.12​
6. $33.93 $37.74​
7. $34.37 $38.22​
8. $34.92 $38.87​

Wow, That's what the pay is these days flying those new jets?

Question: I saw an Eagle jet in PHL, and it had American Connection on the fuselage, then I saw another plane in IND and it was an American Eagle plane, what's the deal with the names?

 

[siucavflight]

Wow, That's what the pay is these days flying those new jets?

Question: I saw an Eagle jet in PHL, and it had American Connection on the fuselage, then I saw another plane in IND and it was an American Eagle plane, what's the deal with the names?

American Connection is sh!taqua.

 

[flyinhigh6165]

or Trans States

 

[jagmagic]

What I dont get is how people settle for these jobs that only pay 25k to start at best. I would never go the the regionals just because I cant afford too. For someone to come out of school and get a LGA base they cant afford to live anywhere in the NY area. And that is not just NY area. It is sad that pilots that have about on avg 50 peoples lives in there hands can get food stamps. Things need to change and change fast

 

[yaya]

Actually the rumour that I keep hearing is that AMR/Eagle are desparate to get the AA seniority numbered flowthrus off Eagle property and up to AA because they'll go from 18 yr RJ capt. pay ($83-$97/hr.) to first year S80/737 pay ($35/hour -- HUGE pay cut). For this very reason most of the flowthrus (especially those who are 50 yrs. old and up) do not want to go. At this point the comapany would have to offer some sort of financial incentive to get these guys to go. But none of it will play out apparently until the 2 ,850 furloughed (non flowthru) AA guys get the call first, otherwise APA would be all over the company, and they'd be right because the agreement does say they go as part of a newhire class. If AMR had their way they'd have probably started the recall process by offering positions to AE flowthrus. Management has said many times that Eagle's labor costs are too high and that we are waaaay too top heavy compared to other regionals. So look for AMR to work out some sort of arrangement with the flowthrus, possibly even the non-numbered ones because even if they can't get 18 yr. payscale guys over, they'll likely be more than happy with 15 yr. (1991 hires -- the majority of the non-numbered guys) going to AA. We'll have to wait and see what the powers that be decide.

The rumour I keep hearing is that your daughters are frequenting Esparza's on Wednesday nights and are not always leaving together...

 

[siucavflight]

The rumour I keep hearing is that your daughters are frequenting Esparza's on Wednesday nights and are not always leaving together...

What are their names?

 

[BoilerUP]

What I dont get is how people settle for these jobs that only pay 25k to start at best. I would never go the the regionals just because I cant afford too. For someone to come out of school and get a LGA base they cant afford to live anywhere in the NY area. And that is not just NY area. It is sad that pilots that have about on avg 50 peoples lives in there hands can get food stamps. Things need to change and change fast

Couple questions for ya:

Who'd you fly the Saab & Jball for, and what did that pay?
How many hours did you have when you got hired into the Hawker and/or CJ?

 

[DGdaPilot]

There's more than just pay when dealing with Eagle.
Becuase of Eagle I:
-Get car insurance for $98/month with full coverage on my new Hemi-powered car.
-Have done about 60 or so non-rev flights across the US and Caribbean on United, AA, Delta, etc...all for less than $500
-Get full health coverage for $100/month
-Frequently get 4 to 7 days off in a row, without using vacation time, depending on how I work my schedule
-Get a $600/month apartment for only $555.
-Good rates on certain hotel rooms.

.....I probably left a few things out.
I'd be hard pressed to find another non-airline job that can do for me what Eagle does.....it's NOT ALL about the pay.

 

[stlflyguy]

Letter 3 expires in May of 2008. What happens to flowthrus with AA seniority numbers has not been determined. Most likely an arbitrator will decide that.

In 18 months, most of the 400+ flowbacks will be gone. Great news for those with less than about sen. # 1600. Then if flowthru's are denied flow, and no new aircraft, then the movement grinds to a halt. IF the smaller RJ 's beging leaving and Eagle shrinks, then well..................you figure it out.

Bottom line right now, is that the Jury is still out on the future attractiveness of Eagle.

That's the most accurate assessment of Eagle that I've seen. The flowbacks will return to AA, the upgrades will happen, and then the stagnation will resume.

stlflyguy

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

There's more than just pay when dealing with Eagle.
Becuase of Eagle I:
-Get car insurance for $98/month with full coverage on my new Hemi-powered car.
-Have done about 60 or so non-rev flights across the US and Caribbean on United, AA, Delta, etc...all for less than $500
-Get full health coverage for $100/month
-Frequently get 4 to 7 days off in a row, without using vacation time, depending on how I work my schedule
-Get a $600/month apartment for only $555.
-Good rates on certain hotel rooms.

.....I probably left a few things out.
I'd be hard pressed to find another non-airline job that can do for me what Eagle does.....it's NOT ALL about the pay.

Get a job that requires a degree outside of aviation and the pay will be so much more that other than the flight benefits, all of which you listed is easily taken care of. My friends in their mid to late 30's working in investments all make over 100K each year with phenomenal perks. Went out for drinks with one buddy last week and he told me his bonus this year was over 150k. I doubt he gives a crap about flight benefits.

Mr. I.

 

[DGdaPilot]

Good for them. I like to fly. Me being happy is better than you being happy for me.