Now that SKW has different rates...

[PCL_128]

Here's a fact. When your company submits a RFP bid, they have to include the current payrates of its employee groups. They don't, however, have to include such hidden compensation such as profit sharing or overrides. So if SKW wants to pay us an override on the 700/900 instead of a split rate so they can be more competitive in the SJP market then more power to them. Just make the override equal to everyone else's split rates, which our new override certainly doesn't.

Wow. That kool-aid must be spiked with crack the way your guys keep chugging it. Hate to break it to you, but mainline carriers could care less what your payrates are. It doesn't affect them whatsoever. Lots of information is included in an RFP bid, but very little of it is relevant to the final decision made by the mainline carrier. Many Air Service Agreements (or Capacity Purchase Agreements, etc...) include a clause that states the mainline partner will cover labor costs up to and including the industry average. If the employee costs go over the average, then the mainline carrier doesn't cover it. It comes out of the regional's profits. Because of this, labor costs are irrelevant in an RFP. All that matters is ability to meet performance targets and total bid cost.

 

[siucavflight]

Say what you want but its better to live in a "piss hole" than commute to a "piss hole". Those bases are all senior so most live in base. Have fun wasting valuable time off commuting to a piss hole. We are the ones with the last laugh. When we land we can just drive a short distance home. You have to waste another couple hours getting home. This adds up to a lot of wasted time per year! HA HA!

Do you enjoy seeing your fellow pilots struggle to make it? Does it make you feel more secure about yourself? I live in base, and I feel bad for those that dont, and we always go out of our way to help a crew member(regardless of where they work)get home. And that includes several of your fellow Skywest co-workers.

 

[Fly2Scuba]

Here's another reason to complain. Copilot mentioned to me about their cousin flying for Skywest. He started on the Brasilia, then was to transfer over to the CRJ. Gets on IOE for CRJ and first check airman thinks he's doing fine, though they fly 5 hrs less than the required time to be signed off. Flys with a different check airman on the next trip and he refuses to sign him off. Ends up not passing and being forced back to the Brasilia. Now at XJT and almost any other carrier, there is a training department union representative that would step in during this type of situation. The proper protocals may even be laid out in a pilot contract.

 

[hoover]

Alaska and Southwest offer the same rate, regardless of the number of seats on their 737's. Yet no one on here is bitching about that.

 

[Puck Mugger]

What will the tools on FI.com have to bitch about now????

I like the $0.67 per hour raise for the 7 year captains. Don't spend that all in one place. No sweat....it's only for another 4 years.

 

[FORESTGUMP]

Here's another reason to complain. Copilot mentioned to me about their cousin flying for Skywest. He started on the Brasilia, then was to transfer over to the CRJ. Gets on IOE for CRJ and first check airman thinks he's doing fine, though they fly 5 hrs less than the required time to be signed off. Flys with a different check airman on the next trip and he refuses to sign him off. Ends up not passing and being forced back to the Brasilia. Now at XJT and almost any other carrier, there is a training department union representative that would step in during this type of situation. The proper protocals may even be laid out in a pilot contract.

gimme a break. I know of the same thing happening at ASA and we have a contract.

 

[ERJFO]

Alaska and Southwest offer the same rate, regardless of the number of seats on their 737's. Yet no one on here is bitching about that.

Alaska and Southwest aren't forcing eachother to take concessions. Unlike what SkyWest is dooing to ASA and Comair.

 

[DirkkDiggler]

Hate to break it to you, but mainline carriers could care less what your payrates are. It doesn't affect them whatsoever. Lots of information is included in an RFP bid, but very little of it is relevant to the final decision made by the mainline carrier. Many Air Service Agreements (or Capacity Purchase Agreements, etc...) include a clause that states the mainline partner will cover labor costs up to and including the industry average. If the employee costs go over the average, then the mainline carrier doesn't cover it. It comes out of the regional's profits. Because of this, labor costs are irrelevant in an RFP. All that matters is ability to meet performance targets and total bid cost.

Not true. In the Midwest RFP process, AWAC had to break down exactly what their costs are. Midwest was not interested in a lump sum number. They want to know exactly where our costs are out of line with other companies. Turns out our flight deck crew costs are much higher than other companies, but we have lower costs in other departments. Mainline carriers are interested in this breakdown.

 

[PCL_128]

Not true. In the Midwest RFP process, AWAC had to break down exactly what their costs are. Midwest was not interested in a lump sum number. They want to know exactly where our costs are out of line with other companies. Turns out our flight deck crew costs are much higher than other companies, but we have lower costs in other departments. Mainline carriers are interested in this breakdown.

Just because the carrier asks that bids include these breakdowns doesn't mean that they use these individual costs to determine who is awarded the flying. I happen to know what Midwest was looking for in that RFP because the MEC was briefed on PCL's bid, and labor costs weren't the determining factor. Midwest was looking for a total cost number, and there basically wasn't a carrier in existence that could meet their target.

 

[airtime42]

The "hourly" rates still suck but SkyWest people are paid better than just about every other regional I know. Horizon guys, for example, have a higher rate but can't get more than (I believe...), 92 hours in a 4 or 5 week bid. Sorry, but that doesn't add up in the end...

You have know idea you scab