Now that SKW has different rates...

[bobbyice]

Everyone was so angry that SkyWest pilots got paid the same amount to fly the 200/700/900. Now the rates are different. Everyone is still angry. Go figure.

 

[ERJFO]

Horizon FO's should be making more since there with the company for 8 years before they upgrade. SkyWest gets 12-18 days off per month.

Express Jet, according to airlinepilot central makes around the same and doesn't get performance rewards.... not to mention the worst domiciles ever.

The 900 rate does suck but there's no one that has a good rate on them.

What else ya got?

PS = Real mature post you put there. What are you, 18?

Hey ballsack, at ExpressJet we get profit sharing that (this year) will be anywhere from 5-7% of your annual gross pay.

Senior lines can have up to 21 days off (not that I will ever hold one) and with the profit SKYW is making your "Jet" rates should be killing ours, now if you flew the 900/700 all the time you would just break even with us. Not to mention your newhire payrates are dispicable.

Our bases do blow tremendously but at least they can all be commuted into from almost any city in the country unlike 70% of your bases (PSP, SBA, SMF, FAT, TUS, COS, SBP, MRY)

Untill the pilot group at SkyWest as a whole grows a back-bone (I know there are alot of good guys there that want a fair contract and a union) don't compare yourself to pilot groups that are doing it right like ExpressJet and Horizon, especially when other CRJ 700 operators like Comair and ASA are getting screwed and backpeddled into your rates.

 

[Hootie9750]

Probably that it took ASA's ALPA to get YOUR rates changed. Without SKYW buying ASA and the negotiations we are in you would still be on your old rates.

Goodness, seriously WHY is nearly EVERY FO at ASA a 400hour c172-to-crj riddle fag??????

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

The short of it: pilots love to bitch about something; each knows more than their own management; somebody is always better off and worse off; blame always lies externally; everything fails for lack of unity; always want more--as long as those antecedants do not change, pilots will continue to gripe.

 

[greg52083]

Goodness, seriously WHY is nearly EVERY FO at ASA a 400hour c172-to-crj riddle fag??????

Jonny your mom needs to take away your computer and wash your mouth out with soap.

 

[viper548]

Our bases do blow tremendously but at least they can all be commuted into from almost any city in the country unlike 70% of your bases (PSP, SBA, SMF, FAT, TUS, COS, SBP, MRY)

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Those bases are pretty senior and most people at those bases live there.

 

[embdrvr]

Our bases do blow tremendously but at least they can all be commuted into from almost any city in the country unlike 70% of your bases (PSP, SBA, SMF, FAT, TUS, COS, SBP, MRY)

ORD - Junior base
IAH - Used to be a base. Practically had to hire street captains to staff it but it was just a prop base.
DEN - Not as junior as ORD but still fairly junior

With the exception of COS all of the bases you mentioned are incredibly senior for the RJ. Perhaps people prefer living in a nice place and not commuting to living in a nice place and commuting to a ********************hole.

I agree with you about how your bases blow tremendously. CAL has had to hire turboprop FO's because their bases blow equally badly.

Not sure where you're headed with the domicile comparison but it appears to be a deep hole.

 

[WateryGrave]

Goodness, seriously WHY is nearly EVERY FO at ASA a 400hour c172-to-crj riddle fag??????

You're right, we should all be in awe of your 2000 hr greatness. Jacka**

 

[NoBathroom]

Now the rates are different.

The rates aren't different. If the rates were different, there would be different pay scales for the -200 versus the -700/-900. There is an override. Soon, block and credit will be cut so that the override will equal what we originally started with.

 

[Hootie9750]

You're right, we should all be in awe of your 2000 hr greatness. Jacka**

That still doesnt answer why ASA puts 300 hr kids into jets? Is it because they went to riddle or because they sorted papers and answered phones for 4 months? But I guess you dont mind watching them, do ASA captains get babysitter overide pay?

 

[mckpickle]

What will the tools on FI.com have to bitch about now????

You DON'T have different pay rates. You have an override. They are 2 different things. All your soft time is paid at 50 seat rate. Clowns.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Horizon FO's should be making more since there with the company for 8 years before they upgrade.

There are only 16 out of 376 FO's at QX that have been on the property over 6 years and the junior captain has 5 years of seniority.

55% of QX FO's make $39.76/hour or more.

29% of QX FO's make $45.69/hour or more.

Just to set the record straight...again...

 

[bender]

You DON'T have different pay rates. You have an override. They are 2 different things. All your soft time is paid at 50 seat rate. Clowns.

Here's a fact. When your company submits a RFP bid, they have to include the current payrates of its employee groups. They don't, however, have to include such hidden compensation such as profit sharing or overrides. So if SKW wants to pay us an override on the 700/900 instead of a split rate so they can be more competitive in the SJP market then more power to them. Just make the override equal to everyone else's split rates, which our new override certainly doesn't.

The only thing that really drives me more into the union camp is the fact that management only wants to give us 1% total for a full decade in order to offset CoL increases? WTF??

 

[DDpaysoff]

wake up skywest grunts, your downward pressure is what is killing mesaba and comair, if you would have got a real 700/900 pay rate everyone else can raise the bar instead of lower it, and if you call working more to get paid more good your crazy, the object is to work the same or less and get paid more, you f'in idiots

Skywest: When ya'll get back from your mission, grow a sack!

 

[ERJFO]

ORD - Junior base
IAH - Used to be a base. Practically had to hire street captains to staff it but it was just a prop base.
DEN - Not as junior as ORD but still fairly junior

With the exception of COS all of the bases you mentioned are incredibly senior for the RJ. Perhaps people prefer living in a nice place and not commuting to living in a nice place and commuting to a ********************hole.

I agree with you about how your bases blow tremendously. CAL has had to hire turboprop FO's because their bases blow equally badly.

Not sure where you're headed with the domicile comparison but it appears to be a deep hole.

All of that aside, TUS is a piss hole. So is FAT and I don't know how anyone can afford to live in MRY with what they make at SkyWest. Even with the "overide."

 

[Shrek]

I feel I should mention that as a newhire as skyw I'm pulling in more money here than I was at Trans States on less flying (75hrs vs 90hrs), and the atmosphere among the crews is WAY better. That being said, the pay offer stunk. Voted it down.

EXCUSE ME?! I dunno bout you, but the crews I fly with are some of the best guys to fly with hands down.

Were you STL based? I am RIC based so I don't know the situation over at STL.

If you were furloughed I am sorry about and to bash your former company is one thing. But to bash your former crews, especially at TSA?!!! - BAD FORM and completely UNTRUE.

Or maybe you are just a tool...........

 

[HelloNewman]

All of that aside, TUS is a piss hole. So is FAT and I don't know how anyone can afford to live in MRY with what they make at SkyWest. Even with the "overide."

Say what you want but its better to live in a "piss hole" than commute to a "piss hole". Those bases are all senior so most live in base. Have fun wasting valuable time off commuting to a piss hole. We are the ones with the last laugh. When we land we can just drive a short distance home. You have to waste another couple hours getting home. This adds up to a lot of wasted time per year! HA HA!

 

[mckpickle]

Here's a fact. When your company submits a RFP bid, they have to include the current payrates of its employee groups. They don't, however, have to include such hidden compensation such as profit sharing or overrides. So if SKW wants to pay us an override on the 700/900 instead of a split rate so they can be more competitive in the SJP market then more power to them. Just make the override equal to everyone else's split rates, which our new override certainly doesn't.

The only thing that really drives me more into the union camp is the fact that management only wants to give us 1% total for a full decade in order to offset CoL increases? WTF??

You ignorant slut. Companies have to submitt pay rates because the flag carrier wants to make sure that the company isn't paying the employee groups TOO LITTLE, not TO MUCH!

 

[jayme]

How do any of you guys know what info is supplied in a RFP bid? And if SkyWest is not giving full disclosure to our major partners, can we really expect them to be honest with the employees?

 

[jayme]

EXCUSE ME?! I dunno bout you, but the crews I fly with are some of the best guys to fly with hands down.

Were you STL based? I am RIC based so I don't know the situation over at STL.

If you were furloughed I am sorry about and to bash your former company is one thing. But to bash your former crews, especially at TSA?!!! - BAD FORM and completely UNTRUE.

Or maybe you are just a tool...........

He said the ATMOSPHERE among the crews is better. Chill.

 

[PCL_128]

Here's a fact. When your company submits a RFP bid, they have to include the current payrates of its employee groups. They don't, however, have to include such hidden compensation such as profit sharing or overrides. So if SKW wants to pay us an override on the 700/900 instead of a split rate so they can be more competitive in the SJP market then more power to them. Just make the override equal to everyone else's split rates, which our new override certainly doesn't.

Wow. That kool-aid must be spiked with crack the way your guys keep chugging it. Hate to break it to you, but mainline carriers could care less what your payrates are. It doesn't affect them whatsoever. Lots of information is included in an RFP bid, but very little of it is relevant to the final decision made by the mainline carrier. Many Air Service Agreements (or Capacity Purchase Agreements, etc...) include a clause that states the mainline partner will cover labor costs up to and including the industry average. If the employee costs go over the average, then the mainline carrier doesn't cover it. It comes out of the regional's profits. Because of this, labor costs are irrelevant in an RFP. All that matters is ability to meet performance targets and total bid cost.

 

[siucavflight]

Say what you want but its better to live in a "piss hole" than commute to a "piss hole". Those bases are all senior so most live in base. Have fun wasting valuable time off commuting to a piss hole. We are the ones with the last laugh. When we land we can just drive a short distance home. You have to waste another couple hours getting home. This adds up to a lot of wasted time per year! HA HA!

Do you enjoy seeing your fellow pilots struggle to make it? Does it make you feel more secure about yourself? I live in base, and I feel bad for those that dont, and we always go out of our way to help a crew member(regardless of where they work)get home. And that includes several of your fellow Skywest co-workers.

 

[Fly2Scuba]

Here's another reason to complain. Copilot mentioned to me about their cousin flying for Skywest. He started on the Brasilia, then was to transfer over to the CRJ. Gets on IOE for CRJ and first check airman thinks he's doing fine, though they fly 5 hrs less than the required time to be signed off. Flys with a different check airman on the next trip and he refuses to sign him off. Ends up not passing and being forced back to the Brasilia. Now at XJT and almost any other carrier, there is a training department union representative that would step in during this type of situation. The proper protocals may even be laid out in a pilot contract.

 

[hoover]

Alaska and Southwest offer the same rate, regardless of the number of seats on their 737's. Yet no one on here is bitching about that.

 

[Puck Mugger]

What will the tools on FI.com have to bitch about now????

I like the $0.67 per hour raise for the 7 year captains. Don't spend that all in one place. No sweat....it's only for another 4 years.

 

[FORESTGUMP]

Here's another reason to complain. Copilot mentioned to me about their cousin flying for Skywest. He started on the Brasilia, then was to transfer over to the CRJ. Gets on IOE for CRJ and first check airman thinks he's doing fine, though they fly 5 hrs less than the required time to be signed off. Flys with a different check airman on the next trip and he refuses to sign him off. Ends up not passing and being forced back to the Brasilia. Now at XJT and almost any other carrier, there is a training department union representative that would step in during this type of situation. The proper protocals may even be laid out in a pilot contract.

gimme a break. I know of the same thing happening at ASA and we have a contract.

 

[ERJFO]

Alaska and Southwest offer the same rate, regardless of the number of seats on their 737's. Yet no one on here is bitching about that.

Alaska and Southwest aren't forcing eachother to take concessions. Unlike what SkyWest is dooing to ASA and Comair.

 

[DirkkDiggler]

Hate to break it to you, but mainline carriers could care less what your payrates are. It doesn't affect them whatsoever. Lots of information is included in an RFP bid, but very little of it is relevant to the final decision made by the mainline carrier. Many Air Service Agreements (or Capacity Purchase Agreements, etc...) include a clause that states the mainline partner will cover labor costs up to and including the industry average. If the employee costs go over the average, then the mainline carrier doesn't cover it. It comes out of the regional's profits. Because of this, labor costs are irrelevant in an RFP. All that matters is ability to meet performance targets and total bid cost.

Not true. In the Midwest RFP process, AWAC had to break down exactly what their costs are. Midwest was not interested in a lump sum number. They want to know exactly where our costs are out of line with other companies. Turns out our flight deck crew costs are much higher than other companies, but we have lower costs in other departments. Mainline carriers are interested in this breakdown.

 

[PCL_128]

Not true. In the Midwest RFP process, AWAC had to break down exactly what their costs are. Midwest was not interested in a lump sum number. They want to know exactly where our costs are out of line with other companies. Turns out our flight deck crew costs are much higher than other companies, but we have lower costs in other departments. Mainline carriers are interested in this breakdown.

Just because the carrier asks that bids include these breakdowns doesn't mean that they use these individual costs to determine who is awarded the flying. I happen to know what Midwest was looking for in that RFP because the MEC was briefed on PCL's bid, and labor costs weren't the determining factor. Midwest was looking for a total cost number, and there basically wasn't a carrier in existence that could meet their target.

 

[airtime42]

The "hourly" rates still suck but SkyWest people are paid better than just about every other regional I know. Horizon guys, for example, have a higher rate but can't get more than (I believe...), 92 hours in a 4 or 5 week bid. Sorry, but that doesn't add up in the end...

You have know idea you scab