Mesa pilots don't want a pay raise!!!

[WSurf]

MESA did'nt start this mess...youngster

How about ALPA starting it? There the real ones that sign off on POS contracts!!!

 

[dogtown]

Yeah, pilots sign off of those contracts too. ALPA may suck, but pilots let it suck.

 

[Shrek]

Mesa pilots - the Industry is watching.

Be prepared for a 3 plus year drawn out fight.

 

[WSurf]

Yeah, pilots sign off of those contracts too. ALPA may suck, but pilots let it suck.

True..... especially when 84% of a pilot group votes 'yes' on a POS contract.

 

[siucavflight]

An Eagle pilot making a comment like that? That is absolutely laughable. Nobody in their (note: I wrote 'their' not 'there') right mind would sign a contract like the Eagle pilots did. Ohhhhhh....you weren't there during the negotiations of that "wonderful" Eagle contract? Hmmmm...neither were 80% of the Mesa pilots that you guys so eagerly bash. I was there during the signing of the "concessionary" contract that Mesa signed - it was disgusting, primarily because of the fact that we had to take a concessionary contract to merge those Freedom pukes back on the Mesa seniority list. It makes me sick to hear about you arrogant f*cks who think that their (again, 'their', not 'there') company is immune from some idiot like JO from ruining their quality of life by trying to introduce an alter-ego airline to skate around a current contract.

Mesa isn't a bad place (yes, I earned $109,724 in my last year at Mesa) if you know what type of management you're up against. It was incredibly educational to find out what bottom-feeder management exists out there, but it's not the pilot group's fault that they are overworked and underpaid - it has a lot to do with the fact that management (i.e., JO, the original egomaniac) has no concept of "legalities" and "doing the right thing."

At my current employer, I am tremendously grateful that they don't have the scumbag mentality that JO has, and that they look out for each employee's interests. I wouldn't appreciate that if I hadn't been through the "Mesa Experience" and been made aware of the morons that can exist at the head of an airline.

I take great offense to those arrogant knuckleheads who feel that Mesa is made up of a group of pushovers who can be shoved around at will and constantly denegrated - you are wrong. I have met some of the most hardworking, customer oriented people in my life at Mesa...it is management who keeps them from doing their jobs. Give it up on the Mesa-bashing...unless you are so diminuitively hung that you can't find somebody else to pick on.

Grow up...before I throw up...

Are you joking me? Yes it has been proved time and time again that the Mesa pilot is more than willing to be pushed around at will. And it all starts in training, they wont even pay for the dam hotel. Then when you are in CRJ training they issue you a purple piece of ply-wood so that you can bridge the isle on the CRJ so you can sleep on stand-ups. I left Mesa while in training because it was laughable, and now I am at Eagle and love working here, they treat you well, pay decent, AA is recalling, bases are great, decent raise every year, hotels on standups, orginization, other airlines dont hate us, and I have never been turned down on a jumpseat, unlike a few of my friends at Mesa(which i think is crap). I hope that Mesa pilots dont bend over this time, because they are bringing the industry down with ********************ty work rules and QOL. So get off of your high horse, and see this company for what it is.

 

[Taco Rocket]

True..... especially when 84% of a pilot group votes 'yes' on a POS contract.

Are you refering to the current Mesa contract? If so your yes % constantly changes. If you're going to start a rumor at least keep it consistent.

 

[CitationLover]

Are you joking me? Yes it has been proved time and time again that the Mesa pilot is more than willing to be pushed around at will. And it all starts in training, they wont even pay for the dam hotel. Then when you are in CRJ training they issue you a purple piece of ply-wood so that you can bridge the isle on the CRJ so you can sleep on stand-ups. I left Mesa while in training because it was laughable, and now I am at Eagle and love working here, they treat you well, pay decent, AA is recalling, bases are great, decent raise every year, hotels on standups, orginization, other airlines dont hate us, and I have never been turned down on a jumpseat, unlike a few of my friends at Mesa(which i think is crap). I hope that Mesa pilots dont bend over this time, because they are bringing the industry down with ********************ty work rules and QOL. So get off of your high horse, and see this company for what it is.

he's new. give him a year and see what he thinks of AMR, Inc.

 

[Cows Go Moo]

True..... especially when 84% of a pilot group votes 'yes' on a POS contract.

You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. It passed by 79%, not 84%. I'm not arguing that 79 is mind-blowing less than 84... I just want to set it straight is all.

Cheers.

 

[HelloNewman]

Go pop another zit kid.

Another example of stockholm syndrome. Don't worry dork we are on your side. Just tired of Mesa pilots defending their contract. We all know its a piece o crap. Admit it and move on. All you have to do is admit its a crappy company and a crappy contract. That will stop most of the bickering right there. Oh wait I forgot. You develop sympathy toward those who abuse you. Don't worry its not your fault.

 

[urflyingme?!]

No Mesa pilot has sympathy for our 'captors' what we do have is compassion for our fellow mag pilots. We get pissed when you post childish insults that are completely devoid of tact, facts, or logic.

Get on board folks. MAG contract 2007-11

 

[B190Captain]

he's new. give him a year and see what he thinks of AMR, Inc.

I would rather endure Eagle and their 10yr upgrade instead POS Mesa!

 

[eaglefly]

they payed into the Comair strike fund. i would say the american eagle contract is worse than mesa's. i had a few friends over their that left after 6 years an FO

Eagle's contract ISN'T EVEN CLOSE to the Mesa garbage.

Made 111K last year and already broke 100K ON 10/31......about 123K for this year.

Seniority helps, but you're talking apples and dogdoo my friend. No windbreakers and wooden boards here.

 

[siucavflight]

he's new. give him a year and see what he thinks of AMR, Inc.

Not even close to being able to draw a comparsion between Eagle and Mesa. I am going to be an FO here for a while, and I will gladly take that over being a CA in two years at Mesa, dont even try and make it seem like they are close to being the same.

 

[CitationLover]

Not even close to being able to draw a comparsion between Eagle and Mesa. I am going to be an FO here for a while, and I will gladly take that over being a CA in two years at Mesa, dont even try and make it seem like they are close to being the same.

while i appreciate the pride in eagle i see displayed on here, our shiite does stink too! JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER REGIONAL POS OPERATOR OUT THERE. THEY ARE ALL B-SCALES FLYING MAINLINE ROUTES.

and don't go cheering that last statment mr. mainliner. you guys happily gave up the 50 seat and up market because it was "beneath" you. you deserve what you got.

siucavflight, we'll see how you like being an FO with ORD EMJ CA LR. i heard he's a real bastard. our bastard on the CRJ was gotten rid of last year.

 

[jetalc]

while i appreciate the pride in eagle i see displayed on here, our shiite does stink too! JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER REGIONAL POS OPERATOR OUT THERE. THEY ARE ALL B-SCALES FLYING MAINLINE ROUTES.

and don't go cheering that last statment mr. mainliner. you guys happily gave up the 50 seat and up market because it was "beneath" you. you deserve what you got.

siucavflight, we'll see how you like being an FO with ORD EMJ CA LR. i heard he's a real bastard. our bastard on the CRJ was gotten rid of last year.

While not cheering the statement, it is certainly refreshing to have a point of view not laced with arrogance and sensationalist statements. Thank you for your post.

I don't believe any Mesa pilot would say their current contract is the best out there, so there is nothing for you Eagle guys to defend or react to. Is it the worst? Who knows? One thing for sure - JO is a complete POS, and I would challenge any group of pilots to try and coerce this idiot into contract compliance (yes, the grievance process has been used to the max). Of course you're going to get an earful if you so pompously try to look down your nose at another COMMUTER, and certainly without merit. What Mesa guys, I believe, are reacting to is the perpetual slamming of the choices THEY MADE in the past.

Something about bricks and glass houses

 

[CitationLover]

the only good thing about JO, is his hot daughter. has she been made into a woman yet?

btw, i heard it was a "butterball" year at mesa.

 

[jetalc]

the only good thing about JO, is his hot daughter. has she been made into a woman yet?

btw, i heard it was a "butterball" year at mesa.

LOL - wouldn't know about that...I think that's a man, man...

I did think it was pretty funny when he became so thoroughly irritated when pilots were posting disgusting and perverted things about his daughter on the Yahoo! Financial board...he's so easy to get wound up, and I can only hope his high blood pressure gets the better of him...

Butterball year, again? Wow - JO sure knows how to take care of his peeps...

 

[HelloNewman]

while i appreciate the pride in eagle i see displayed on here, our shiite does stink too! JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER REGIONAL POS OPERATOR OUT THERE. THEY ARE ALL B-SCALES FLYING MAINLINE ROUTES.

and don't go cheering that last statment mr. mainliner. you guys happily gave up the 50 seat and up market because it was "beneath" you. you deserve what you got.

siucavflight, we'll see how you like being an FO with ORD EMJ CA LR. i heard he's a real bastard. our bastard on the CRJ was gotten rid of last year.

Mainline isn't what it used to be either. If given the chance id rather have bigger planes here at skywest. Much easier than having to interview and start over at a major. Also more profitable in the long run at todays pay rates.

 

[ImRickJames]

FOFL- FO for Life

I would rather endure Eagle and their 10yr upgrade instead POS Mesa!

Wow! I'm a 29 year B190 captain at eagle. your not much of a long term thinker are you? So how is the retirement package at Eagle?

 

[ImRickJames]

Eagle's contract ISN'T EVEN CLOSE to the Mesa garbage.

Made 111K last year and already broke 100K ON 10/31......about 123K for this year.

Seniority helps, but you're talking apples and dogdoo my friend. No windbreakers and wooden boards here.

How long have you been at eagle. How's your retirement package?

 

[CitationLover]

Wow! I'm a 29 year B190 captain at eagle. your not much of a long term thinker are you? So how is the retirement package at Eagle?

hanksters voice on

i've had it up to my second chin with youse guys typing on the internet. git back to work and fly that airplane or i'll get the trackers to git you some moah work!

hanksters voice off

i do believe our 401k isn't too bad. the match is similar to corporate 401k plans. count on no one to provide your retirement. if you do not believe me, ask the guys at delta, northwest, usairways, twa, or united.

 

[siucavflight]

Wow! I'm a 29 year B190 captain at eagle. your not much of a long term thinker are you? So how is the retirement package at Eagle?

Um, yeah, Eagle does not have any B190's. And our 401K, and benefits are some of the best around.

 

[CitationLover]

Um, yeah, Eagle does not have any B190's. And our 401K, and benefits are some of the best around.

you should be so honored to have flown the b1900d siucavflight.

1900 - half the pay, twice the work!

 

[siucavflight]

you should be so honored to have flown the b1900d siucavflight.

1900 - half the pay, twice the work!

I have not flown the 1900, I am not sure what you are talking about. The only props we have at Eagle are the ATR and the SF3, there are not any 1900s at Eagle, and we have not had them for a while.

 

[Rottweiller]

The scales are tipping toward all pilot groups for once. I, for one, am cautiously optimistic.

100% guarantee
block or better
10 days off on reserve 11 for line holders (28 day bid period)
$1.70/hr perdiem
$25/hr for all 1st year FO's regardless of equipment
15% pay raise across the rest of the board.
Trip and duty rigs would be icing on the cake.

You forgot to add company supplied plywood boards to the list

 

[CitationLover]

I have not flown the 1900, I am not sure what you are talking about. The only props we have at Eagle are the ATR and the SF3, there are not any 1900s at Eagle, and we have not had them for a while.

i am saying you should have flown it. it would have made you a better pilot. your tone seems to be it is beneath you.

i know what we have at eagle, thank you very little.

 

[RP170]

Mainline isn't what it used to be either. If given the chance id rather have bigger planes here at skywest. Much easier than having to interview and start over at a major. Also more profitable in the long run at todays pay rates.

Yep so you could fly an Airbus or 737 for 50 seat rates also. Sounds like a sweet deal.

 

[CitationLover]

Yep so you could fly an Airbus or 737 for 50 seat rates also. Sounds like a sweet deal.

or like you a 170 for jesus!

 

[siucavflight]

i am saying you should have flown it. it would have made you a better pilot. your tone seems to be it is beneath you.

i know what we have at eagle, thank you very little.

I spent over 800 hours on the 1900 at Skyway, never thought that it was beneath me.

 

[HelloNewman]

Yep so you could fly an Airbus or 737 for 50 seat rates also. Sounds like a sweet deal.

Never said that. There is already a seperate payscale for that size of aircraft. Besides mainline would have to give up the scope for us to fly that size aircraft.