Pilots detained in Brazil

[FN FAL]

"lining up criminal charges won't make anyone more "careful".

Stupid is as stupid does. Convictions for negligence crimes sends a message...turn a deaf ear, pay the price and whine about it later.

The criminal justice sytem is not having a go at aviation, no more than sitting in a vehicle makes a criminal act a lawful one.

 

[pilot141]

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Ahhhh...much better. I think the IQ of this discussion just went up about 20 points.

 

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Ahhhh...much better. I think the IQ of this discussion just went up about 20 points.

Wahahahaha...

 

[handlesaregay]

Well if you actually let the criminal lagal system have a go at aviation then you will end up with nothing being an "accident".

According to FNFAL there is no such thing as an accident. It's merely a crime that isn't being prosecuted.

No, I'm insane to think that you guys would take a hint and realize that in the criminal justice system, there is no such thing as an accident.

I guess I've been living in a dream world up until now. There is no spoon.

 

[Papps]

Are you saying they intended to hit that airliner?

That's a new one.

no. Im saying there was probably an miscommunication that put someone at the wrong alt. Most pilots don't fly wrong altitudes for the hell of it. I've had emergencies that made me descend through the flight levels and ATC wasn't communicating with us for some reason. Its a very uneasy feeling being high and fast and knowing your not in your protected chunk of airspace. You feel like your going to get clipped at any second. I doubt someone would knowingly do that to themselves.

 

[FN FAL]

According to FNFAL there is no such thing as an accident. It's merely a crime that isn't being prosecuted.

Excuse me for "merely" informing you that there may be more than FAA administrative action in the event of an "accident".

Should you find yourself surviving one of these, I'd suggest you blurt out anything that comes to your mind at the first police officer that arrives at the scene. Like I said, you can always take it back later...not.

 

[A Squared]

Has Brazil ever heard of the ASRS program?

Not disagreeing with your perspective, but I don't believe that the ASRS does anything for you in the case of an accident, and I'm pretty certain that it won't protect you from any criminal prosecution in any event.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Wahahahaha...

Hey look, it's Greta Van FNFAL whining and sharing such a vast knowledge of the legal system with us all. Thats about all he's good for.

 

[FN FAL]

Hey look, it's Greta Van FNFAL whining and sharing such a vast knowledge of the legal system with us all. Thats about all he's good for.

Look, it is the rose colored glasses neo-con, who brings only an empty mind and a full diaper to the discussion.

 

[FN FAL]

Not disagreeing with your perspective, but I don't believe that the ASRS does anything for you in the case of an accident, and I'm pretty certain that it won't protect you from any criminal prosecution in any event.

Maybe in Brazil it would.

Oh you said ASRS, I thought he said "A SKS". Never mind.

 

[handlesaregay]

Should you find yourself surviving one of these, I'd suggest you blurt out anything that comes to your mind at the first police officer that arrives at the scene. Like I said, you can always take it back later...not.

With what you're advocating who is going to sit around and wait for the cops? It might not decrease the number of accidents but it certainly will increase the number of people fleeing the scene.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Look, it is the rose colored glasses neo-con, who brings only an empty mind and a full diaper to the discussion.

Greta Van FNFAL, dont be upset that someone is making fun of your lousy lawyer demeanor here. I think it's kind of funny myself that you think your the know it all when it comes to the legal system. Funny how you try and find fault (in legal terms) with pilots and their actions in light of ANY accident.

Accidents do happen....remember, we are all human and even though it's perhaps difficult for you to grasp, that includes you too FNFAL. Last thing anyone wants is someone tearing up an accident (before the facts are even out) in legal terms and trying to lay blame and find fault with those involved on some technicality.....which you seem to be really good at and which no one really cares about.

 

[Guitar rocker]

I'm insane because you guys don't know the definition of varying degrees of criminal negligence?

No, I'm insane to think that you guys would take a hint and realize that in the criminal justice system, there is no such thing as an accident.

Go ahead and do your best, I got lots of time and plenty of news stories to read...be one.

Greta Van FNFAL, just think if you were "one" of those news stories which we read about and someone else just like you was so quick to point the finger and find fault in a legal manner with you as you are to others? How would you like that?

In all honesty, I hope that never happens to you or anyone else either. But, we all make mistakes (maybe YOU dont). It happens.....and if you could just remember, you aint the judge here.

 

[FN FAL]

With what you're advocating who is going to sit around and wait for the cops? It might not decrease the number of accidents but it certainly will increase the number of people fleeing the scene.

No, I'm simply trying to tell you that any car "accident" or aircraft "accident" can turn into a homicide or other criminal negligence investigation.

If you believe that the Constitution is not a communist agenda of the ALCU, then you will understand that it defines rights. One of which is the right to remain silent.

If for some reason you wind up in some sort of a major "brugadung" on the highway or while flying, you might want to consider your right to remain silent until you have had a moment to calm down and let someone who is professionally licensed explain the complexities of your modern legal dilema before you speak.

Which is all that I have tried to promote through my attempts at explaining the negligence laws that we have on the books today.

For some reason, you guys see "pointing finger" when all I am trying to explain is that you might want to realize.

 

[FN FAL]

no. Im saying there was probably an miscommunication that put someone at the wrong alt. Most pilots don't fly wrong altitudes for the hell of it. I've had emergencies that made me descend through the flight levels and ATC wasn't communicating with us for some reason. Its a very uneasy feeling being high and fast and knowing your not in your protected chunk of airspace. You feel like your going to get clipped at any second. I doubt someone would knowingly do that to themselves.

I wasn't picking on you and I'm not an English major...by a long shot. But if you re-read what you wrote, you'll understand why I took the jab.

I knew what you meant...but words can be twisted.