GoJets

[Turkey Shoot]

Swordfish, you can bluff and bluster all day long but it's not going to change the perception in the rest of the industry. And yes, people do know and they still ask and I calmly explain what happened and how you guys had furlough protection in the ONE chance we had to capture that flying. The only difference is we didn't stoop like Mesa to get the flying.

I have even more news for you, Swordfish. TSA pilots did not start this. They were simply there when that crap sandwich happened and TSA got 10 planes from Eagle that were supposed to go to the desert. It makes no difference that American came back only a few days before the transfer was going to happen and say, "Oh, you can have more planes now." And weren't those planes going away so you guys could get CRJ 700's?

Most TSA guys wish those planes had just gone back to Eagle to avoid the bad blood. You on the other hand, are gleefully engaged in assisting TSH in breaking another pilot group. TSA pilots didn't jump up and down about the Eagle crap.

And now SW guys are scabs too? They are now flying ASA planes so why don't you trash them about it too? Or is bar set to different heights?

While you guys are not scabs, what you have done is despicable and you've done nothing for the rest of the industry. I loath you and the rest of those people at Go Jet just as much as the Freedom A Listers.

 

[flyboyzii]

You voted NO to the flying. Do you TSA pilots still not know what the meaning of NO is?? Let me splain it to you real quick here. When YOU PILOTS VOTED NO......the company says to itself....these pilots don't want to fly these planes. Each and every one of you were given the opportunity to come over which AGAIN you said NO.....
You are all pissed off that you listened to your wonderful MEC and have been trying to spin this whole situation from the beginning. So, keep it up..You all are just a bunch of immature "Adults". YOU VOTED NO!!! It's YOUR fault that you aren't flying these planes

 

[BoilerUP]

They wouldn't have had to vote no if people weren't willing to do it for less than their current CBA.

 

[swordfish]

They wouldn't have had to vote no if people weren't willing to do it for less than their current CBA.

Not true we our making more money with better schedule. Round and round we go again! Redbook where is that list.. I bet there around 20 names on the one you have. That’s one class worth….


? Why did ALPA MAKE YOU GUYS TAKE DOWN THE WEBSITE WITH YOUR LITTLE LIST ON IT?

? DOSE ANYONE OUT THERE HAVE ANY alter-eagle stickers or better yet THE STICKERS THAT SAY RELAXS…

 

[swordfish]

Swordfish, you can bluff and bluster all day long but it's not going to change the perception in the rest of the industry. And yes, people do know and they still ask and I calmly explain what happened and how you guys had furlough protection in the ONE chance we had to capture that flying. The only difference is we didn't stoop like Mesa to get the flying.

B.S YOU GUYS NEVER WANTED 70 SEAT FLYING! REMEBER WHEN TSA WAS GOING TO BE THE LANCH CUSTOMER FOR THE EMB-170 AND YOU GUYS VOTED NO ON THAT TOO....

YOU GUYS GAVE POWER TO YOUR MEC TO VOTE ON THE CONTRACT, YOUR MEC VOTED 3 TIME AND THE PILOT GROUP VOTED 1!!!!



I have even more news for you, Swordfish. TSA pilots did not start this. They were simply there when that crap sandwich happened and TSA got 10 planes from Eagle that were supposed to go to the desert. It makes no difference that American came back only a few days before the transfer was going to happen and say, "Oh, you can have more planes now." And weren't those planes going away so you guys could get CRJ 700's?

B.S THE PLANES WHERE NEVER GOING TO THE DESERT, TSA WAS WILLING TO FLY THOUGH PLANE FOR CHEAPER THAT ALL THEIR IS TO IT.


Most TSA guys wish those planes had just gone back to Eagle to avoid the bad blood. You on the other hand, are gleefully engaged in assisting TSH in breaking another pilot group. TSA pilots didn't jump up and down about the Eagle crap.

And now SW guys are scabs too? They are now flying ASA planes so why don't you trash them about it too? Or is bar set to different heights?

While you guys are not scabs, what you have done is despicable and you've done nothing for the rest of the industry. I loath you and the rest of those people at Go Jet just as much as the Freedom A Listers.

And now SW guys are scabs too? They are now flying ASA planes so why don't you trash them about it too? Or is bar set to different heights?


YA TSA SET THE BAR FOR SKYWEST TO SCREW ASA PILOTS, LOOK SKYWEST IS FLYING 90 SEAT JETS FOR 50 SEAT PAY. NO SKYWEST PILOT AREN'T SCABS BUT THERE MANAGEMET IS BENDING OVER BOTH PILOT GROUPS...

 

[ballsdeep123]

Not true we our making more money with better schedule. Round and round we go again! Redbook where is that list.. I bet there around 20 names on the one you have. That’s one class worth….


? Why did ALPA MAKE YOU GUYS TAKE DOWN THE WEBSITE WITH YOUR LITTLE LIST ON IT?

? DOSE ANYONE OUT THERE HAVE ANY alter-eagle stickers or better yet THE STICKERS THAT SAY RELAXS…

Swordfish, you're obviously not very intelligent so I'm not sure why I'm even writing back to your nonsense, but here we go... The only reason you might be making more money than the people over at TSA is because your pilot group is much much younger than TSA's. Your top captain has been there for maybe 5 years, meaning that he is only on 5 year pay. The rest of your pilot group is making much less than that. It's probably the same for the flight attendants. What does that mean for TSA Holdings? They can operate airplanes much cheaper with BloJets than they can with TSA. As a matte of fact, they could probably pay you a lot more money and give you a lot better work rules and you would still be cheaper than TSA. Now imagine if all airlines operated like that. As soon as their pilot group got too old, they just opened up another one and screwed the rest of the pilots that had been working hard for them for a long time. It's people like you who are ruining this industry for everyone, including yourself.

 

[pilotbrain]

Swordfish, you're obviously not very intelligent so I'm not sure why I'm even writing back to your nonsense, but here we go... The only reason you might be making more money than the people over at TSA is because your pilot group is much much younger than TSA's. Your top captain has been there for maybe 5 years, meaning that he is only on 5 year pay. The rest of your pilot group is making much less than that. It's probably the same for the flight attendants. What does that mean for TSA Holdings? They can operate airplanes much cheaper with BloJets than they can with TSA. As a matte of fact, they could probably pay you a lot more money and give you a lot better work rules and you would still be cheaper than TSA. Now imagine if all airlines operated like that. As soon as their pilot group got too old, they just opened up another one and screwed the rest of the pilots that had been working hard for them for a long time. It's people like you who are ruining this industry for everyone, including yourself.

This just show how dumb you really are.
GoJet was created so they could fly 70 seat jets for united not created to lower there cost structure.

yes we have pilot here that are getting paid up to 10 years pay!

some from TSA and some from Eagle Chicago Express, and many others.

 

[redbook]

I have already told you my name, so you have it, i think that your list is a scare tactic in hope to prevent young pilot to go to GoJet! But there is no list other then the A-List of the first 2 class.... your bluff bitch


Pilotbrain is a skywest pilot he has been there for 5 years. he just likes to piss you off Redbook.

i got news for you redbook Gojet is geting 10 more CRJ in the next few months! and if you would have voted yes you would be upgrading pay backs a bitch. as an Eagle FO for 6 year i know how it feels.. you guys at tsa started this crap a long time ago and are still fying my old airplanes that have eagle names on them... now who the real scab! tsa

tsa= scab flying

Daddy still can't get you on at cal? After six years as an fo at eagle? Funny 2 year fo's at TSA have gone on to CAL.

I guess your Dad knows you are a POS.

So pilotbrain is skywest pilot who has been posting about life at gojet this whole time, claiming to be a gojet pilot and is now looking for an air ambulance job. Ok, I won't even try and sort out the lies from the truth. It doesn't matter.

YOU JOINED AN ALTER EGO. That is the only truth that matters.

Despite your attempts to draw every other airline under the sun into your personal rat hole, it ain't working.

Alter ego pilots, sleep in the sh!thole you made for yourselves. Enjoy swordfish.

 

[redbook]

This just show how dumb you really are.
GoJet was created so they could fly 70 seat jets for united not created to lower there cost structure.

yes we have pilot here that are getting paid up to 10 years pay!

some from TSA and some from Eagle Chicago Express, and many others.

Now you are back to being a gojet pilot ?

YOU are the idiot. Gojet was creted to lower the cost structure and you, the village idiot, have been sacrificed to provide the means.

Hulas thanks you for throwing your career away. Thanks for joining an alter ego!

 

[redbook]

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yes we have pilot here that are getting paid up to 10 years pay!

Yup J.N worked a "special Deal" to join alter ego.

He is still a scumbag, just like you, only his price was a little higher.
(and he knows he will never leave...something you will figure out soon)

Guess what...you won't make that pay. You did it for even less. Idiot.

 

[swordfish]

Daddy still can't get you on at cal? After six years as an fo at eagle? Funny 2 year fo's at TSA have gone on to CAL.

I guess your Dad knows you are a POS.

So pilotbrain is skywest pilot who has been posting about life at gojet this whole time, claiming to be a gojet pilot and is now looking for an air ambulance job. Ok, I won't even try and sort out the lies from the truth. It doesn't matter.

YOU JOINED AN ALTER EGO. That is the only truth that matters.

Despite your attempts to draw every other airline under the sun into your personal rat hole, it ain't working.

Alter ego pilots, sleep in the sh!thole you made for yourselves. Enjoy swordfish.

I called PIC but i bet your never going to see that in your life time... and i got 850 now that 4 more months. for you it more like 8 more years ha ha ha ha lol.

i have told you before pilotbrain like to piss you off and is going to act like a gojet pilot tell you stop reponding to his posts, your like a fly on ******************** when it comes to pilotbrain.. (what you must like 25 year boys)

you work for the the alter-eagle airline scab..

 

[redbook]

I called PIC but i bet your never going to see that in your life time... and i got 850 now that 4 more months. for you it more like 8 more years ha ha ha ha lol.

i have told you before pilotbrain like to piss you off and is going to act like a gojet pilot tell you stop reponding to his posts, your like a fly on ******************** when it comes to pilotbrain.. (what you must like 25 year boys)

you work for the the alter-eagle airline scab..

Nice response. Intelligent, credible and easily understood. Your dad will get you on Cal soon.

Unlike you, I will not simply say, am not, you are!

Here is my statement from the leader of 60,000 pilots.

ALPA President to Trans States Management: We'll Cooperate, but We're Not Backing Down
ST LOUIS, MO - The head of the union that represents pilots at St. Louis-based Trans States Airlines today told pilots at a rally at Lambert Airport that the union is taking a carrot-and-stick approach to resolving labor issues at the airline.
"I have come here today to personally issue a public challenge to your management to alter the course that they have taken in dealing with their pilots," said Capt. Duane Woerth, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, International, in remarks prepared for the rally.
"I have come to challenge them to work cooperatively with our union to help build this airline for the future. And I have come to offer to help promote new business opportunities for this airline and new job opportunities for its ALPA pilots. I am convinced that, together, we can build Trans States into a strong, solid company for decades to come," Woerth said.
"I have also come here to draw public attention to the fact that, sadly, our efforts to discuss the issues before us in cooperation with the company have, to date, met with little to no success. Using only the most tenuous thread of justification, Trans States management has sought to create an alter-ego carrier that they intend to staff with pilots not sheltered by an ALPA-bargained contract," he said.
"In response to this tactic, we have been forced to file a grievance concerning this alter-ego carrier, because management has made it clear that GoJet exists solely to evade ALPA and the TSA-ALPA agreement. The clearest proof? Management's premature and illegal attempt to install a separate union before GoJet employs any pilots or begins operations. While management's public claim that a contractual restriction makes it impossible to extend the ALPA contract to larger jets, I assure you that we can readily overcome this very common obstacle," Woerth said.
"The management at Trans States has concluded that they have some strong opportunities for growth of their company-in new sectors, in new markets, on new routes, and flying for new carriers. I applaud that vision. I salute it. That being said, I insist that the Air Line Pilots Association and the pilots we represent play our legitimate role in tangibly contributing to that growth. There is absolutely no justifiable reason to create an alter-ego carrier or a carrier that is 'walled off' from our pilots, whose sacrifices and hard work have built this company. GoJet may indeed be a viable operation moving forward-but only with our pilots in those cockpits," he said.
"Unfortunately, time is running out, because the management team at TSA has decided to do more than just stop talking to our pilots and their representatives. They have made the unfortunate - and potentially devastating - decision to crack down on our union and our union representatives here in St. Louis and elsewhere," he said.
"Standing right here with me today are two good ALPA representatives-officers who put their necks on the line for their brothers and sisters-who have recently been unjustifiably fired by TSA. The Executive Council of our International union was so outraged by these maneuvers that it recently voted to make these fired pilots financially whole until they are rightfully returned to their cockpits. That's what being union is all about. I will not tolerate attacks on, or interference with, our union representatives-pilots or employees-simply because they are members or staff of this union," Woerth said.
"The climate here at Trans States Airlines does not need to be poisoned. We can start fresh today - if management accepts our offered hand and alters their course of action. If they make that change, we can build a better airline and a better environment for the future," he said.

 

[redbook]

So here we are again....the gojet pilots attempting to rehabilitate their alter ego status and the rest of the industry standing up to them.

Its groundhog day all over again and the result is always still the same. Gojet is an alter ego whipsaw carrier.

Fuelflow, I have said it before. Swordfish, pilotbrain and these other clowns make it too easy. You must shake your head every day that you go to work with such a sad group of alter ego pilots.

 

[TSA ERJ]

You GoJet guys kill me. A list isn't even necessary as long as you carry the GoJet ID and your airline is posted along side your name for pilot review. GoJet or Trans States Holdings next to your name seals your fate.

Swordfish, it's predictable you would try and spin things to make yourself feel better about your poor choices, but the truth is the Eagle planes were forced on the TSA pilot group. There wasn't a choice in the matter. You on the other hand made a conscious decision to join an alter ego carrier. You knowingly joined a pilot group to be a tool of management to drive down labor costs and help prevent pilots in this industry from achieving better contracts. Say what you will, but that truth will never change.

I'll be looking for you and your buddies who interview to make sure none of you infect my airline. Good luck

 

[Turkey Shoot]

The one and only reason I continue to respond and will do so in the future is to keep calling BS and whatever these Go Jet guys keep putting up.

Swordfish, our MEC never voted on the GoJet flying because DM said the pilots would have to vote regardless of the situation. This promise was made after managment goaded the MEC into voting in a CBA the pilots didn't agree with.

And yes, those 10 EMB 145's were headed for the desert because Eagle had reached the number of planes they were able to keep under the current American scope. Only a few days before the airplanes were to be transferred did American relent and allow the Eagle guys to have more planes. At that point the deal was done and American wanted those planes to go anyhow. What happened, more 70 seaters for Eagle.

TSA guys did and still do want to have a crack at GoJet flying. The CBA extention we were offerred afforded GoJet pilots furlough protection, a 1.5% pay raise per year for the remained of the extention and a very limited oppurtunity to bid over.

You folks seem to have a very skewed perspective on how the world works. I've seen guys proclaim how proud they were of what they were doing at GoJet. That to me speaks volumes about the current pilot group.

Had there not been the stream of low lives streaming in there, TSH would have had no choice but to merge the lists and you guys wouldn't have this mud on your name, but...........