You guys are making me look like a genius. Thanx! B19

[pilotyip]

Lots

Are there any quality 121 carriers?

I thought I did, was that another thread? Just a KYIP, USA Jet, Kalitta Charters II, National, and Ameristar. Used to have a 121 union carrier at KYIP, Zantop, but they went out of business

 

[JungleJett]

I thought I did, was that another thread? Just a KYIP, USA Jet, Kalitta Charters II, National, and Ameristar. Used to have a 121 union carrier at KYIP, Zantop, but they went out of business

Having had interaction with most of those companies when I was in the freight biz, I would not consider those operations all that good. Most of the folks I met were not happy..and the equipment was marginal.

 

[sshrae]

Having had interaction with most of those companies when I was in the freight biz, I would not consider those operations all that good. Most of the folks I met were not happy..and the equipment was marginal.

Skywest has never had a union. I would venture to say they are one of the better 121 regionals out there. The union battle over there has been around a long time but while I worked there I don't remember too many people being treated unfairly by management. Not to say I was against a union at skywest but at the time I was content.

 

[brokeflyer]

It's sad that we should NEED a union at any air carrier.....but, as long as management continues to break rules and put lives at stake, not to mention all the basic stealing, i guess we stuck with unions.

 

[o2bflyn]

Wow, if those are quality 121 carriers. What does that make Delta, AA, United etc

He was looking for quality NON-UNION 121 carriers.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Not to be a jerk, but define "quality" - I prefer flying fractional to any 121 carrier. quality to me is 91K/135. 121 is a bus.

Many people do now that it's not all "cowboy" flying like it used to be.

The 91K and 135 safety constraints are no where near as good as 121, but the are much improved over what they used to be.

 

[Hogprint]

B9 posted:

but the blowhards on this board have been telling everybody just how wonderful life at Netjets is. They've been rubbing it in everybody's faces forever.

Ah, the truth comes out...

For the record, I don't think I've ever seen a post "rubbing it in the face" of anyone other than management hags like yourself.

Let go of your hate. Fear leads to hate. Hate leads to the dark side.

 

[pilotyip]

management creates jobs.

B9 posted: For the record, I don't think I've ever seen a post "rubbing it in the face" of anyone other than management hags like yourself.

Remember without management there would not be any jobs. They put it all together to create jobs.

 

[gunfyter]

Remember without management there would not be any jobs. They put it all together to create jobs.

And they create furloughs and bankruptcies that rob people of their Retirements.... when they mismanage.

And some even go as far as hire union-busters like 19 to try to prevent workers from exercising their right to unionize....

Oh! You think he spreads his propaganda here for free?

 

[JungleJett]

Remember without management there would not be any jobs. They put it all together to create jobs.

Remember without workers, there would be no need for management.

 

[HazMat]

Gunfyter Unions have been guilty of the same. B19 is so far anti union that he has become a novelty the otherside is just as laughable.

 

[fischman]

A slight correction.

B9 posted:


Ah, the truth comes out...

For the record, I don't think I've ever seen a post "rubbing it in the face" of anyone other than management hags like yourself.

Let go of your hate. Fear leads to hate. Hate leads to the dark side.

Anger leads to fear. Fear leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

 

[gunfyter]

FEAR IS THE PATH TO THE DARK SIDE ...Anger leads to fear. Fear leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

Correcting the correction...

 

[pilotyip]

Just like marriage

Remember without workers, there would be no need for management.

True is a perfect marriage that instead of producing kids while fighting, it produces jobs while fighting. Someone think they are getting screwed all the time and another thinks they are not getting enough. Neither should ever end in divorce.

 

[fischman]

Correcting the correction...

I don't think I'd call that a correction. Looks more like an addition.

 

[Hogprint]

I don't think I'd call that a correction. Looks more like an addition.

Either way, thanks for tightening me up!

 

[Schrode]

Not sure what all the attention B19 has for NetJets. I have been here for 7 years, and by far this is the best company and union I have ever seen. I used to be military, didn't see the need of a union - worked in non-aviation management, with a non-union operation. Never had a problem. Came to NetJets, a great company - but saw how "Management Games" can be played (Dollar Bill comes to mind, the inventor of 12:001 am shows for 14 hour duty days without a trip or aircraft assigned). The Union, stopped the nonsense of bad management (and the Teamster nonsense as well)- and in 2006, after the new contract NetJets became profitable (even while supporting NJE operations).

The times we are going through now are difficult. And after careful consideration, there is no other company in the U.S. that I would rather be employed at right now. This company and union have stepped up to offer unpressidented options to the employees - while defering any loss of pay to the Netjets Family. As payroll cuts may be required, new hire employees (or anyone else) has been offered a volentary option to leave with $1000/mo and medical for the family - and furlough protection for up to 3 years. (Higher pay options are also offered - but without the furlough protection) No one wants to lose a job, but the options the company (and union) offers are very attractive to new hires and those considering retirement. Hopefully the furlough will not occur (being the only fractional that has never furloughed is a statement of strength - one investors will notice).

I am glad to be at Netjets, and I feel for all the pilots and others who are being hit by this economic downturn. The end of which shall come quickly, this I say is true. (don't get wraped up - just a little fun using profetic jargon!)

 

[brokeflyer]

b19 got hosed by a union back in his career......so now our union is to blame. I take it personally that he wishhes us to fail. It is a direct threat to my family and I will not stand for that.

piss poor management with golden parachutes is why this country is in shambles. That is undisputed truth and some try to place blame elsewhere. But the facts are exactly that....FACTS.

stop ruining America.....