Yank Prater Now. Dump Alpa

[Jonny Sacko]

Majority of pilots voted, and were polled about age 60 changes. The MAJORITY voted and polled stated they wanted it to STAY THE SAME.. ALL FOR ME Prater ignored this and actually toted the Mica bill as a GOOD THING.


YANK PRATER; DUMP ALPA.

 

[flygirlqt]

I agree. This reeks of politics and is nothing more than allowing these senior approaching age 60 National officers 5 more years to suck up our dues with their grotesque salaries.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Ya know I was never a big anti ALPA guy but this really changed my mind. It appears ALPA did have a big influence on keeping this thing alive despite what they said. And it went against what the membership wanted. ALPA is starting to appear more and more of a road block to getting better contracts and work rules then the group leading the charge. I am just disgusted.

 

[HalinTexas]

I probably will need to work until 65. Hadn't planned on it until the fall of '04.

But I've been saying for quite a while: ALPA is all about Herndon. It's about dues, not service to it's membership.

Dumping ALPA won't change the law though.

 

[DashTrash400]

I'm pro-union and have thus far been pro-ALPA even while a member of another union, but this really sticks in my craw. One of ALPA's strengths throughout the years is that it's been one of the most democratic unions out there. My problem here is that not only does it go against the wishes of the majority of the membership, but ALPA leadership (ie Prater) seems to have been less than truthful about ALPA's role in all this until the vote was over. Furthermore, this is a distraction that can only divide us and alienate a large part of the membership when we really need everyone on board and concentrating on "taking it back," to use Prater's now-ironic turn of phrase.

 

[sleeves]

None of you guys will do anything except cry on this board. The older guys know how to get things done. When ALPA was against age 65 they formed their own groups and bought lobbyist. Then they took over ALPA. What the young guys have to figure out is nobody is going to do it for you. Typing posts on flight info does nothing. Writing letters to your congressmen does about the same. The old guys just showed how the minority, when motivated, can control the outcome.

Get involved. Paying dues is not enough.

 

[DashTrash400]

I'm on an ALPA committee, didn't realize I should've instead been devoting my time to taking over ALPA for my own personal purposes. Whoops, my bad.

 

[sleeves]

I'm on an ALPA committee, didn't realize I should've instead been devoting my time to taking over ALPA for my own personal purposes. Whoops, my bad.

Didn't say you should. What I said is that the +60 crowd did.

Being on a committee puts you in a small minority (thanks for your time). What committee are you on?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Majority of pilots voted, and were polled about age 60 changes. The MAJORITY voted and polled stated they wanted it to STAY THE SAME.. ALL FOR ME Prater ignored this and actually toted the Mica bill as a GOOD THING.


YANK PRATER; DUMP ALPA.

WRONG. (insert game show LOSER buzzer)

I agree. This reeks of politics and is nothing more than allowing these senior approaching age 60 National officers 5 more years to suck up our dues with their grotesque salaries.

(audeince laughing so hard. Jay Leno thinks... get her for "jaywalking"). Buzzer operator finally stops laughing and hits the LOSER buzzer...

Ya know I was never a big anti ALPA guy but this really changed my mind. It appears ALPA did have a big influence on keeping this thing alive despite what they said. And it went against what the membership wanted. ALPA is starting to appear more and more of a road block to getting better contracts and work rules then the group leading the charge. I am just disgusted.

[wrong buzzer.....) Alec Trebac is shaking his head!

I probably will need to work until 65. Hadn't planned on it until the fall of '04.

But I've been saying for quite a while: ALPA is all about Herndon. It's about dues, not service to it's membership.

Dumping ALPA won't change the law though.

judges? partial credit!!

I'm pro-union and have thus far been pro-ALPA even while a member of another union, but this really sticks in my craw. One of ALPA's strengths throughout the years is that it's been one of the most democratic unions out there. My problem here is that not only does it go against the wishes of the majority of the membership, but ALPA leadership (ie Prater) seems to have been less than truthful about ALPA's role in all this until the vote was over. Furthermore, this is a distraction that can only divide us and alienate a large part of the membership when we really need everyone on board and concentrating on "taking it back," to use Prater's now-ironic turn of phrase.

Judges? (wrong buzzer)! attractive answer but there never was a majority... its not ALPA hasn't been truthful... its just the members don't bother to know the truth...

None of you guys will do anything except cry on this board. The older guys know how to get things done. When ALPA was against age 65 they formed their own groups and bought lobbyist. Then they took over ALPA. What the young guys have to figure out is nobody is going to do it for you. Typing posts on flight info does nothing. Writing letters to your congressmen does about the same. The old guys just showed how the minority, when motivated, can control the outcome.

Get involved. Paying dues is not enough.

WINNER!! bells whistles, ballons streamers!

Johnny...tell him what he's won.

(in announcer voice). He's won reality. And in this current world.. that's a good thing....


Nothing's changed... to segway off the last quote...

From Flying the Line, Vol. 1, page 227:
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Inevitably, a new generation arrived made up of pilots less steeped in the past struggles and more content about the professional status ALPA had created for them. The new generation was also increasingly indifferent to ALPA and its administration. Pioneer pilots, by and large, paid close attention to ALPA affairs, and they couldn’t understand the lackadaisical attitude of the younger pilots, partically when it came to governance at the local level. By the late 1950s, many pilots simply took for granted that somebody else would do the hard work needed to sustain ALPA. While complacent pilots golfed or pursued second careers, a minority ran ALPA’s local affairs on each airline.
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Although most of these individuals were dedicated to making ALPA work, on some airlines a few pilots used ALPA as a gimmick for personal aggrandizement. The indifference of the rank and file and the poor attendance at local council meetings meant that a minority on any airline could, with proper planning, seize control and eventually dominate the master executive council (MEC) itself. The danger was that a well-organized clique could speak for an indifferent majority of pilots.
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[BeCareful!]

Fuc% You, Rez!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[filejw]

Guys everybody in a leadership roll of any organization has to make decisions based on the info before him her. Personally I think Prater could just see the writing on the wall and wanted to be on the winning side and have an influence . Remember pilots/old guys have been pushing this age 65 thing for 25 plus yrs and for the last yr or so it looks like they were going to win...

 

[eaglefly]

Guys everybody in a leadership roll of any organization has to make decisions based on the info before him her. Personally I think Prater could just see the writing on the wall and wanted to be on the winning side and have an influence . Remember pilots/old guys have been pushing this age 65 thing for 25 plus yrs and for the last yr or so it looks like they were going to win...

That's right.

ALPA's just as corrupt as it ever was. It a business and the dues from all those expensive pilots will allow their secretarys who gaid paid twice what a new-hire pilot gets paid, to enjoy a nice raise.

 

[COpilot]

I have flown with Prater, I was a supporter of his, I am pro ALPA.

I was wrong, and apologize. Greedy back stabbing bastagess!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

To quote Jimmy Kimmel at the Flavor Flav roast...

Fuc% You, Rez!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Yes... that will change the perception about you...."

"maybe another season of charm school is order"

That's right.

ALPA's just as corrupt as it ever was. It a business and the dues from all those expensive pilots will allow their secretarys who gaid paid twice what a new-hire pilot gets paid, to enjoy a nice raise.

"Anyway... where was I before I was interupted...."

 

[tomgoodman]

Why now?

Remember pilots/old guys have been pushing this age 65 thing for 25 plus yrs and for the last yr or so it looks like they were going to win...

True. The effort had no real chance of succeeding until the wave of pension-dumps and wage cuts.