XOJet Update

[t-bone]

I'll post this here and in the charter forum, since we're a little bit of each.

Domiciles:
Effective January 1, our Tier 1 domiciles are as follows:

-Sacramento
-San Francisco Bay Area
-Los Angeles
-San Diego
-Phoenix
-Denver
-Chicago
-Atlanta
-Miami
-Dallas
-New York
-Washington DC
-Seattle

You need to live within 100 miles of your assigned city. Not sure if that's going to be based on distance to a specific airport, I'm sure more clarification will come out. As it is now, it's a safe assumption that most airports within 100 miles of the city will be considered part of that domicile. Tier 1 domiciles are eligible for either our new 8 on 6 off schedule or the 15 on 13 off schedule.

Tier 2 domiciles are only for the 15/13 schedule and will be considered on an individual basis. Basically, you'll need to live near an airport that has satisfactory airline service for it to be considered Tier 2.

Vacation:
8 days off per year for years 1-4
16 days off per year after year 5

Sick time:
5 days off per year.

Pay:
1st year PIC 90k
14 year PIC 145k
extra days are paid at 1.5 day rate, based on 205 (or 195) days per year.

(The pay scales are incredibly difficult to explain without looking at the tables. What they accomplish though are yearly raises based on annual reviews, and then even larger raises if certain company performance goals are met. If you are doing your job, you'll get a raise. If you're doing your job and the company has met its goals, then you'll get an even bigger raise. If the goal is not met, pay does NOT go down. I know, it's clear as mud, but that's what it is.)

 

[doylehargraves]

WOW! Another fractional that makes more money and has more bases than Flexjet! BIG surprise! What else you got over there?

 

[t-bone]

I should add that SIC pay is 70% of PIC pay...

1st yr SIC = $63,000
14 yr SIC = $101,500

Pay goes up linearly from year 1 through year 14.

 

[doylehargraves]

Oh thanks for kicking us in the stomach with the F/O wages too!

 

[t-bone]

Oh thanks for kicking us in the stomach with the F/O wages too!

Sorry man! That wasn't my intent.

 

[Frac Cap]

So if it is linear, I guess a 5 year captain would make around $111,000, and it would be over $132,000 for a 10 year guy. Flops has a long way to go to come up to industry standards. I just hope they understand this before the Net Jets flood gates open and take more pilots than we can afford to loose.

 

[BengalsFan]

That pay scale is for the X, correct? Any idea for the Challenger 300, or is that still not available since you haven't taken delivery?

 

[t-bone]

No difference in pay between the X and the 300. Both are considered Super Midsize.

 

[jonjuan]

No difference in pay between the X and the 300. Both are considered Super Midsize.

By whom?

Interesting because a larger Sovereign is considered a mid-size.

Cabin Volume
Sovereign: 620 cu ft.
CX: 600 cu ft.
c300: 860 cu ft.

45% more cabin volume by my calculator. Someone got the wool pulled.

 

[t-bone]

By whom?

Interesting because a larger Sovereign is considered a mid-size.

Cabin Volume
Sovereign: 620 cu ft.
CX: 600 cu ft.
c300: 860 cu ft.

45% more cabin volume by my calculator. Someone got the wool pulled.

By Whom? By the guy that wrote our pay policy.

 

[jonjuan]

By Whom? By the guy that wrote our pay policy.

I just assumed you agreed with the guy who wrote your pay policy as you didn't dispute the obvious disparity. After all, the 300 will be 2/3 the entire fleet.
We are assuming management addressed the difference in category size as the 300 will soon be the driver of program growth.

 

[t-bone]

UPS pays their 747 captains the same as their 757 captains. NetJets is soon going to be paying their Ultra captains the same as their Sovereign captains. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Gulfstream PICs going to be paid the same as everyone else too?)

What is there to dispute? The company wants to avoid a mass exodus to the 300s when they show up, so keeping them on the same pay scale as the 10 takes away one of the potential reasons one would want to transition.

Difference in MTOW of the 2 airplanes is only 2750#s...38850 vs 36100. No need to make an issue out of that.

 

[gunfyter]

At first glance, Daily pay rate seems to match closely the NJA rate once accounting for the scheduling difference.

Don Juan ... you have to multiply the weight times the Mach for similar pay class.

 

[jonjuan]

At first glance, Daily pay rate seems to match closely the NJA rate once accounting for the scheduling difference.

Don Juan ... you have to multiply the weight times the Mach for similar pay class.

LOL-Thanks

 

[kingairyahoo]

per diem???

 

[t-bone]

per diem???

No per diem. Meals are put on the company credit card. Keep it below $75/day. Crew meals (ie. from Rudy's, don't count towards the $75) but we try to be smart about this. If we're having lunch at PF Changs and have an afternoon flight, I think most of us will get something to go to eat on the plane rather than spend $40 for a turkey sandwich thru the caterer. If we don't have time to pick up food somewhere, then order thru the caterer. No problem.

As long as we behave like adults, the company will continue to treat us like adults. As soon as this meal policy gets abused consistently, I'm sure we'll find ourselves on per diem.

 

[flyipilot]

A few questions...What do you get in terms of insureance at XOJet? How much does it cost you a month?

How come XOJet is not listed on Airline Pilot Central?

and does anyone have any idea how many pilots you might hire in 08?

Thanks!

 

[kingairyahoo]

How come XOJet is not listed on Airline Pilot Central?

Thanks!

...since when is APC the definitive list??? :smash:

 

[kingairyahoo]

...double post :nuts:

 

[flyipilot]

...since when is APC the definitive list??? :smash:

True....but, since every other airline, charter,and aviation company of any importance out there is on there it sort of makes it that....well...just a great place to compare. Do not sit on the sidelines...come on in and join the party!

 

[AgreenFO]

Hi there , thank you for the info on XO, question. Is there any Intl flying, like more than can, mex and carib? upgrade time?

 

[doylehargraves]

Having to come up with your own food must really suck. Especially on a 13 hour day.

 

[RCA]

Having to come up with your own food must really suck. Especially on a 13 hour day.

Things only "really suck" when you work for a union.

 

[imacdog]

Things only "really suck" when you work for a union.

Is that what you thought when you interviewed with NetJets?

 

[Buddro]

Things only "really suck" when you work for a union.

Total clueless response, idiot. If only you had an idea of how 1108 is raising the bar across the industry. I'm sure you won't be complaining when you get a raise and other QOL improvements as a result of our union.

But as you said it "really sucks" working under a union contract.

 

[RCA]

A little defensive are we? I would never insult your mighty 1108, However when a union member uses the term "really sucks" to define gathering food for ones own nourishment, I'm reminded why being part of a union is not my cup of tea.

 

[Willy21]

I think what he was trying to say is that during a 13 hour day you might be busy and finding food is just another thing one must do. Seeing how there are few fbo's that have a food court, ie none, I could see how that would be a dissadvantage. Simma down.

 

[doylehargraves]

If RCA would do a little research he would find out that I'm NOT in a union. I work at Flexjet. And, yes, finding time to buy food while at work WOULD SUCK. It has nothing to do with a union.

 

[Buddro]

A little defensive are we? I would never insult your mighty 1108, However when a union member uses the term "really sucks" to define gathering food for ones own nourishment, I'm reminded why being part of a union is not my cup of tea.

In a Netjet's pilots eyes, having to get your own food would really suck. In your eyes, it may not be that bad. At Netjet's sometimes it's hard enough to gather up the catering we order, I couldn't even imagine having to get my own food. Sorry for the name calling, the post just caught me off guard.

 

[KeroseneDream]

If bringing your own food is not convenient, then order catering. No questions asked. Many days though we have time to eat or pick something up. I like having the option to grab a Panera panini and salad and a big fat Starbucks instead of a crew meal. But if time is an issue I order catering. Rudy's lemon bars are delicious, right T-Bone