XOJet Update

[AgreenFO]

Hi there , thank you for the info on XO, question. Is there any Intl flying, like more than can, mex and carib? upgrade time?

 

[doylehargraves]

Having to come up with your own food must really suck. Especially on a 13 hour day.

 

[RCA]

Having to come up with your own food must really suck. Especially on a 13 hour day.

Things only "really suck" when you work for a union.

 

[imacdog]

Things only "really suck" when you work for a union.

Is that what you thought when you interviewed with NetJets?

 

[Buddro]

Things only "really suck" when you work for a union.

Total clueless response, idiot. If only you had an idea of how 1108 is raising the bar across the industry. I'm sure you won't be complaining when you get a raise and other QOL improvements as a result of our union.

But as you said it "really sucks" working under a union contract.

 

[RCA]

A little defensive are we? I would never insult your mighty 1108, However when a union member uses the term "really sucks" to define gathering food for ones own nourishment, I'm reminded why being part of a union is not my cup of tea.

 

[Willy21]

I think what he was trying to say is that during a 13 hour day you might be busy and finding food is just another thing one must do. Seeing how there are few fbo's that have a food court, ie none, I could see how that would be a dissadvantage. Simma down.

 

[doylehargraves]

If RCA would do a little research he would find out that I'm NOT in a union. I work at Flexjet. And, yes, finding time to buy food while at work WOULD SUCK. It has nothing to do with a union.

 

[Buddro]

A little defensive are we? I would never insult your mighty 1108, However when a union member uses the term "really sucks" to define gathering food for ones own nourishment, I'm reminded why being part of a union is not my cup of tea.

In a Netjet's pilots eyes, having to get your own food would really suck. In your eyes, it may not be that bad. At Netjet's sometimes it's hard enough to gather up the catering we order, I couldn't even imagine having to get my own food. Sorry for the name calling, the post just caught me off guard.

 

[KeroseneDream]

If bringing your own food is not convenient, then order catering. No questions asked. Many days though we have time to eat or pick something up. I like having the option to grab a Panera panini and salad and a big fat Starbucks instead of a crew meal. But if time is an issue I order catering. Rudy's lemon bars are delicious, right T-Bone

 

[skiandsurf]

How many pilots at XOJet? And how many do they forecast?

Do they upgrade based on seniority or performance?

Is the insurance free?

And the unanswered question.....is most of your flying... charter (part 135) or owners (part 91)?

 

[Ultra Grump]

Looking to bail s&s?

 

[t-bone]

I need to make a correction on the SIC pay...it's actually only 58% of PIC pay...you can do the math. The good news is that upgrades run less than a year if you've got a good attitude and pick up our procedures quickly and if you meet our PIC minimums. Sorry for the bad information.

Guys that get hired as street captains start off at 80% of PIC pay, then move to 90% after training, and are expected to be ready to go as PIC after just a few rotations, where they'll go to full PIC pay. Those that aren't ready at that point may move down to SIC pay. If you're hired under these circumstances, and you're ready to go quickly, it's entirely reasonable to be at full PIC pay in under 6 months.

 

[On Your Six]

I need to make a correction on the SIC pay...it's actually only 58% of PIC pay...you can do the math. The good news is that upgrades run less than a year if you've got a good attitude and pick up our procedures quickly and if you meet our PIC minimums. Sorry for the bad information.

Guys that get hired as street captains start off at 80% of PIC pay, then move to 90% after training, and are expected to be ready to go as PIC after just a few rotations, where they'll go to full PIC pay. Those that aren't ready at that point may move down to SIC pay. If you're hired under these circumstances, and you're ready to go quickly, it's entirely reasonable to be at full PIC pay in under 6 months.

Any estimates on how many guys you plan to hire in 08? How many CL300s are expected to be on the property through the end of 08?

 

[t-bone]

How many pilots at XOJet? And how many do they forecast?

Do they upgrade based on seniority or performance?

Is the insurance free?

And the unanswered question.....is most of your flying... charter (part 135) or owners (part 91)?

Currently just over 100 pilots on the property. The only forecast I've heard is for the entire company...currently at 205 company-wide, forecast to be at 330 by the end of 2008. The bulk of that will be pilots and mechanics to support our growing fleet. Acceptance flights on the next 2 Xs are in progress this week. I'll try to get more specific #s, for both pilot hiring and aircraft deliveries. I think we'll have 2-3 300s on property by the end of 2008.

Upgrades are based on perfomance.

Insurance is free for the employee, cost for family is minimal...around $100 per month (I think...)

The mix between charter and owner flights varies. All of our flights are operated under 135 rules though. On days like today, where we're using 20 crews to keep our 15 airplanes flying as much as possible, we can turn down charter requests because our owners are all flying. On other days where the owner side is slow, we can increase our availability to outside charter. That is very helpful when we need to get an airplane across the country for a future owner trip...we have several venues to market that empty leg, minimizing our unpaid deadhead legs.

But to the crews flying the airplane...it really makes no difference if we're flying charter clients or owners. We treat them all the same...and it's amazing how many of those charter pax have become owners as a result!

 

[Ultra Grump]

Upgrades are based on perfomance.

How exactly is that "performance" measured?

 

[t-bone]

How exactly is that "performance" measured?

Peer Review Evaluations, completed by the other pilots the candidate has flown with.

 

[skiandsurf]

Looking to bail s&s?

No, I was trying to get some more detailed info about this company out to this board. If I was at VA, Skybus, FLOPS or _________, I would consider going to XOJet. From the little that we know about them, it sounds like a good option.

 

[CapnVegetto]

My resume is in....no internal rec though, so I doubt I'll hear anything soon. Keeping my fingers crossed though....seems like a darn good deal.

 

[learflyer]

A little defensive are we? I would never insult your mighty 1108, However when a union member uses the term "really sucks" to define gathering food for ones own nourishment, I'm reminded why being part of a union is not my cup of tea.

I tend to agree. we had to do it at RTA. Took 2 minutes in the back of a cab to order it.