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How many pilots at XOJet? And how many do they forecast?

Do they upgrade based on seniority or performance?

Is the insurance free?

And the unanswered question.....is most of your flying... charter (part 135) or owners (part 91)?
 
I need to make a correction on the SIC pay...it's actually only 58% of PIC pay...you can do the math. The good news is that upgrades run less than a year if you've got a good attitude and pick up our procedures quickly and if you meet our PIC minimums. Sorry for the bad information.

Guys that get hired as street captains start off at 80% of PIC pay, then move to 90% after training, and are expected to be ready to go as PIC after just a few rotations, where they'll go to full PIC pay. Those that aren't ready at that point may move down to SIC pay. If you're hired under these circumstances, and you're ready to go quickly, it's entirely reasonable to be at full PIC pay in under 6 months.
 
t-bone said:
I need to make a correction on the SIC pay...it's actually only 58% of PIC pay...you can do the math. The good news is that upgrades run less than a year if you've got a good attitude and pick up our procedures quickly and if you meet our PIC minimums. Sorry for the bad information.

Guys that get hired as street captains start off at 80% of PIC pay, then move to 90% after training, and are expected to be ready to go as PIC after just a few rotations, where they'll go to full PIC pay. Those that aren't ready at that point may move down to SIC pay. If you're hired under these circumstances, and you're ready to go quickly, it's entirely reasonable to be at full PIC pay in under 6 months.
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Any estimates on how many guys you plan to hire in 08? How many CL300s are expected to be on the property through the end of 08?
 
skiandsurf said:
How many pilots at XOJet? And how many do they forecast?

Do they upgrade based on seniority or performance?

Is the insurance free?

And the unanswered question.....is most of your flying... charter (part 135) or owners (part 91)?
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Currently just over 100 pilots on the property. The only forecast I've heard is for the entire company...currently at 205 company-wide, forecast to be at 330 by the end of 2008. The bulk of that will be pilots and mechanics to support our growing fleet. Acceptance flights on the next 2 Xs are in progress this week. I'll try to get more specific #s, for both pilot hiring and aircraft deliveries. I think we'll have 2-3 300s on property by the end of 2008.

Upgrades are based on perfomance.

Insurance is free for the employee, cost for family is minimal...around $100 per month (I think...)

The mix between charter and owner flights varies. All of our flights are operated under 135 rules though. On days like today, where we're using 20 crews to keep our 15 airplanes flying as much as possible, we can turn down charter requests because our owners are all flying. On other days where the owner side is slow, we can increase our availability to outside charter. That is very helpful when we need to get an airplane across the country for a future owner trip...we have several venues to market that empty leg, minimizing our unpaid deadhead legs.

But to the crews flying the airplane...it really makes no difference if we're flying charter clients or owners. We treat them all the same...and it's amazing how many of those charter pax have become owners as a result!
 
My resume is in....no internal rec though, so I doubt I'll hear anything soon. Keeping my fingers crossed though....seems like a darn good deal. :)
 
RCA said:
A little defensive are we? I would never insult your mighty 1108, However when a union member uses the term "really sucks" to define gathering food for ones own nourishment, I'm reminded why being part of a union is not my cup of tea.
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I tend to agree. we had to do it at RTA. Took 2 minutes in the back of a cab to order it.
 
skiandsurf said:
No, I was trying to get some more detailed info about this company out to this board. If I was at VA, Skybus, FLOPS or _________, I would consider going to XOJet. From the little that we know about them, it sounds like a good option.
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I agree with this point. I believe Netjets has the best offer out there for fractionals, but XOJet seems to be a pretty good alternative to Netjets (still my #1 choice after the new TA). With its growth and strong financial backing (private equity firms and very wealthy Silicon Valley types), XOJet could be a good choice if you get in early (right now).
 
t-bone,

So "performance" is simply a matter of what the other guy thinks of you? Mgmt/Admin has no effect on this "performance" criterion. What's the whole story?

Also from reading your web site, I would suspect that there are many early call/ floating rest problems. Am I correct?
 
For the most part, upgrades are based on feedback from the other captains. Guys are also NOT upgraded as a direct result of their evaluations. I've said it over and over, your attitude and personality will get you further here than your flying skills will. We can work with your flying skills if you've got a good attitude.

Yes, you're right. Rolling rest (no defined duty/rest periods) has been and will undoubtedly continue to be a problem until we get a better policy. But, I know from first hand experience that if I am too tired to do a trip, then no further questions are asked. We also have written into our GOM that after 2 consecutive 12+hour duty days we are entitled to an extended period of rest.

We also have a Risk Assessment card that we go through, and if our score puts us into the High category, Chief Pilot or Director of Ops release is required, and chances are good the trip will just be canceled. Repo legs back to base don't happen if they will put the crew over 14 hours.
 
t-bone said:
Repo legs back to base don't happen if they will put the crew over 14 hours.
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It sounds like you repo the plane back to base at the end of your week, is that true? or do you guys park the plane at your last airport and airline home?

I always heard that you guys dont do many repo flights, but this is conflicting.
 
t-bone said:
I've said it over and over, your attitude and personality will get you further here than your flying skills will. We can work with your flying skills if you've got a good attitude.
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Q: What's the difference between an ass-kisser and a brown-noser?

A: Depth perception.

:D
 
skiandsurf said:
It sounds like you repo the plane back to base at the end of your week, is that true? or do you guys park the plane at your last airport and airline home?

I always heard that you guys dont do many repo flights, but this is conflicting.
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We try to keep empty legs to a minimum, but as anyone that has flown the 10 knows, those airplanes require lots of TLC from our mechanics. If the plane is in SFO and is running good, they'll leave it there. If it has some mx issues, they'll bring it home to MCC. But if that leg back to MCC will put the crew over 14 hours, then they'll leave the plane in SFO and figure something else out. Either mx will drive to SFO, or the crew will fly to MCC the next day. If mx really needs the plane back in MCC ASAP, we'll send a check airman down with someone who needs a 299 and they'll fly the plane home, killing 2 birds with one stone. Same goes for planes in TEB and our ILG base. Quite often our ILG based mechanics will drive up to TEB and work on the planes at night while the crew is in rest if the crew was unable to repo to ILG without going over 14 hours of duty.

On a side note, our mechanics have 14-hour duty limits too.

As for transitions, it really all depends on where the airplanes are. Several crews start or stop their transition in one of our bases, but not necessarily the base where they live. If the transition takes place away from a base, Crew Resources does their best to predict where the plane will sit long enough to swap crews, but even the best laid plans don't always work out when the pax change their itinerary last minute. Then we just respond and recover as best as possible. We do airline a lot, no getting around that. But we've got 2 managed king airs that the company uses to shuttle crews to/from our VNY base from MCC. Fill that king air 350 with 8 pilots down and 8 coming back, saving the need to buy 16 airline tickets, and the cost difference is negligible. That also helps to preserve some of our duty day, not spending it standing in line at the security check points!
 
Ultra Grump said:
Q: What's the difference between an ass-kisser and a brown-noser?

A: Depth perception.

:D
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Nice!!!
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What is the interview like? Do you pay your own way to it? Do you normally work more than 8 days (day before or after). So far sounds like a great company!
 
Interviews are a 2-day process. The company covers all expenses, from flying you to Sacramento, rental car and hotel, and meals.

Day 1: travel to Sacramento, meet with all the candidates and several XOJet employees for dinner at BJ's Pizzeria in Roseville. Dinner is paid for by XOJet. This is just a meet n greet, very casual, bring your beer mug.

Day 2: meet at our MCC hanger around 0900. Tour of the facility, then break off into 4-5 different interview groups, each group consisting of 1 candidate and 2 XOJet employees. You'll meet with pilots, mechanics, HR, DO, Chief Pilot and who ever else wants to participate. Each mini-interview should last 20-30 minutes. There currently is no written aptitude test. You should hear the results within just a couple of days. Day 2 is usually done by 2-3 pm, so you should be able to get home that night.

As for working beyond your regularly assigned days, it does happen occasionally but it's not forced on you. Sometimes its easier to just work the extra day and fly yourself home rather than airline across the country. We get paid 1.5 x our day rate for any extended days. That works out to $650/day right now for the PICs. That'll go up Jan 1 when our new payscale takes effect.
 
No plans to go to 7/7. We've been on 9/7 for the past year+, so moving to 8/6 is a new change. And the 8/6 doesn't start until Jan 1.

The disadvantage of a 7/7 is that there is no overlap day where all the pilots are on the schedule either transitioning home or to work. We are still a relatively small pilot group, so we need the flexibility of those overlap days. Currently, we have all been transition on the same day. As of Jan 1, we're going with Tuesday or Thursday starts...providing scheduling with more options on how to crew the trips on those transition days.

My hope is that we'll continue to increase the type of scheduling options, but only time will tell.
 
TB

On a side note, our mechanics have 14-hour duty limits too..

rumor going around that you guys are opening a mx hangar at BDL--any truth to that one?
 
I haven't heard anything about BDL (Bradley, CT?). I find that unlikely though, since we are in the process of moving into MBNA's old hanger in ILG, which is enormous.
 
XO Jet

Are they currently interviewing? I seem to be having trouble with the "Apply for this position" link on the website. Is there a chance without an internal recommendation?

Thanks for your time
 
Must have been overloaded with resumes again. Is it still posted on climbto350? My buddy said they were getting 250 applications a day after they posted it.
 
t-bone said:
No plans to go to 7/7. We've been on 9/7 for the past year+, so moving to 8/6 is a new change. And the 8/6 doesn't start until Jan 1.

The disadvantage of a 7/7 is that there is no overlap day where all the pilots are on the schedule either transitioning home or to work. We are still a relatively small pilot group, so we need the flexibility of those overlap days. Currently, we have all been transition on the same day. As of Jan 1, we're going with Tuesday or Thursday starts...providing scheduling with more options on how to crew the trips on those transition days.

My hope is that we'll continue to increase the type of scheduling options, but only time will tell.
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Another bend over and take this. 2 years and the pilot group will be screaming foul. Sorry for the negative post but that schedule sucks!
 
hammer2 said:
Another bend over and take this. 2 years and the pilot group will be screaming foul. Sorry for the negative post but that schedule sucks!
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Geez! Did Santa not bring you what you wanted? Thanks for participating in an otherwise constructive conversation.

FWIW, schedule preferences are ENTIRELY relative. Our schedule may suck for you, and you're entitled to your opinion. I can only imagine what you must think about our pilots who actually request the extended schedule! You'd probably recommend that we commit them to an asylum! But you know what, it works for them. And as long as they're happy with it, why do you care?
 
Hammer just likes to be negative, he works for Flexjet. Not that my company is any better but I'm trying to make a change! Good to see your constructive criticism again Hammer.
 
hammer2 said:
Another bend over and take this. 2 years and the pilot group will be screaming foul. Sorry for the negative post but that schedule sucks!
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Why does it suck?
 

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