XOJet Update

[imacdog]

I don't get an overnight at home all the time but it does happen. One tour I had three overnights at my home airport. I imagine it's just like any other company - live at one of the more popular destination cities and you'll be home more often in the middle of a tour.

 

[t-bone]

live at one of the more popular destination cities and you'll be home more often in the middle of a tour.

That's certainly true here. If you live near VNY or MCC, you'll get home more often than those guys on the double rotation that live in Kalispel or Tulsa.

 

[stratman560]

That's certainly true here. If you live near VNY or MCC, you'll get home more often than those guys on the double rotation that live in Kalispel or Tulsa.

So for those of us new to the fractional side of the business (namely me), what do they do with you if your on the road on the double schedule with no flying assignment? Company just puts you up in a Hotel I'm assuming until the next trip pops?

 

[t-bone]

Company just puts you up in a Hotel I'm assuming until the next trip pops?

Yup! If you're lucky, you'll be the crew that just flew out to Kona today and has no flights to come home until Wednesday! Chances are though, if you're on the mainland, you won't be sitting long. Our planes don't sit much!

 

[skiandsurf]

That's certainly true here. If you live near VNY or MCC, you'll get home more often than those guys on the double rotation that live in Kalispel or Tulsa.

Being that I have never been to MCC, I dont see it as a busy destination. And since only 5% of your your flights are empty, I am even more confused.

Not bashing XOJet, just dont understand the 5% empty flights.

 

[stratman560]

Yup! If you're lucky, you'll be the crew that just flew out to Kona today and has no flights to come home until Wednesday! Chances are though, if you're on the mainland, you won't be sitting long. Our planes don't sit much!

How many hours you gonna log this year t-bone?

 

[cessnapilot]

Nothing comes for free buddy boy! You got to work for it. Trying to work less to get paid more just puts companies in the drink! Thats what would really suck!

so where is the limit... you can work 24/7 and help "your" company, or you can balance it out. It tends to be that most 135 companies don't do a good job at this, despite making money. At some point, you have to put your life outside the company first. Look at the money involved in charter, and ask yourself how much of your life you should give to "your" company. It is good to be a team player, and anything looks better than unemployment, but there should be a bottom. If it is a fractional, there is money involved from owners, so your sweat benefits them. It its charter, then its the company you are helping. You are correct in saying that there are limits. It is what the market can handle.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Nothing comes for free buddy boy! You got to work for it. Trying to work less to get paid more just puts companies in the drink! Thats what would really suck!

You need to stop riding your boss' white whale. Why don't you run and tell your boss you'll work 29-on, 1-off, and you'll take a 25% pay cut to boot? Don't want that company to go in the drink, now do you? And what does your statement have to do with the FACT that working more and being home less SUCKS?

Don't ask the question if you don't want to hear the answer.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Just curious IMACDOG, how often do YOU get home in the middle of a 7/7 tour?

Most tours I spend at least one night in my own bed, sometimes several. I am VERY happy with my QOL at NJA. I have at least double the time at home that I did at my former airline.

 

[BengalsFan]

Ultra-where do you live? and is this common?

T-Bone-How military reserve friendly is XOJet? For military leave both short (like UTAs) and long (like initial/recur training...3-4 months)? someone high up in your company is coming to talk to us at Dadelians this month I think... I'm excited to hear what he has to say.

 

[t-bone]

Being that I have never been to MCC, I dont see it as a busy destination. And since only 5% of your your flights are empty, I am even more confused.

Not bashing XOJet, just dont understand the 5% empty flights.

I thought I responded to a similar comment awhile ago, but I guess it got missed.

The 3% or 5% empty number that is out there is not correct. What it should state is 3-5% of our flights are unpaid for...and even that number is pretty high. As for our actual flights that have 0 pax on board, we average 15-20% a month. And I don't know if that is flight segments or hours. That's how we get home to MCC from the Bay Area or our other pax destinations. Very few live legs originate or terminate out of MCC or ILG. Several do though out of VNY...I know, big surprise!

 

[t-bone]

How many hours you gonna log this year t-bone?

600...somewhere around there. 50 hours a month is average.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Ultra-where do you live? and is this common?

Depends on the fleet and where you live. If you live in a major metro area with several area airports, you have a good chance of getting home mid-tour.

 

[Whale Rider]

Come to think of it, I'm very miserable. You do have me figured out pretty well, Whale!

If you say so MR. Kill Me with KINDNESS.

 

[flyinja]

Thanks T-Bone

You have put a lot of very helpfull info on this board. Thanks for taking the time to do this. Just put my app in and I hope to hear from Xo soon

 

[stratman560]

how long?

Sorry if this has already been asked and I missed it, but how long for some of you XO'ers was it from the time you submitted your resume till you got a call, till you interviewed, till the first day of groundschool? Is company indoc done at MCC I assume? Also, where do they usually send pilots for the 750 initial? ICT? TOL?

 

[t-bone]

I can't answer your questions about how long it takes from application to class date...but I know that an internal recommendation speeds that process up. We've got a class of 6 that just started today.

Yes, company indoc takes place at our facility in MCC. CE750 initial training typically takes place at FlightSafety in Toledo, though we had some go thru initial at Simuflite awhile ago. We do all of our recurrent training at Simuflite in Dallas, and have been approved for AQP (progressive checks) on our 12 month 293/297 training events, and we have been approved for a single-day AQP training event for the 6-month 297 check.

 

[CA1900]

And what does your statement have to do with the FACT that working more and being home less SUCKS?

Reminds me of what one of the pilots said during my last company's union campaign...

"I miss the [plane] when I am away from it for too long...I don't need more days off to get into trouble with...I want to fly because it is my escape from the real world..."

 

[skiandsurf]

CE750 initial training typically takes place at FlightSafety in Toledo,

FWIW, I went thru initial at TOL with 4 guys from XOJet. 2 of the 4 quit XOJet within the first year.

Something about flying ulgy airbuses out of CMH.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Something about flying ulgy airbuses out of CMH.

Ouch...