XOJet growth...??

[oiltycoon]

A little birdie tells me that XOJet just ordered 80 Challenger 300s? (yes Eight-Zero) Any truth to that?

 

[hawkerjet]

I heard the same thing from several of their pilots. They also have major wall street backing from what I was told, what ever that means. My guess is that they have deep pockets from some venture capitalists, just my guess.

 

[AMDFlyer]

Any news or update about this guys?
Did they really open a DFW? Dallas domicile?
If anybody has pertinent info please post.

Thanks

 

[bizjet800]

If this were true it would make major news!

 

[hiflyer731]

I've heard big number orders for challenger 300s too but not anything about pilot bases in Dallas. I talked to a couple 'higher ups" about a month ago and they had no intentions of opening another pilot base soon.

 

[CRJ Driver]

Where are there bases?

 

[hiflyer731]

Only pilot base is Sacramento.

 

[GIII Instructor]

Only pilot base is Sacramento.

not true... pilots are NOW commercialed out from anwhere in the US...

 

[CRJ Driver]

What are the skeds like? 7on 7off?
Starting pay?

Thx.

 

[GIII Instructor]

9 on 7 off... and they can fly you into your days off, you are paid overtime. you need 250 hours in the jet before you're considered for upgrade.

 

[X-rated]

9 on 7 off... and they can fly you into your days off, you are paid overtime. you need 250 hours in the jet before you're considered for upgrade.

You are correct, the current schedule is 9 on 7 off. However, no one is required to work extra days. Occasionally, extra days are available for extra pay, but no one is ever forced to work them. As far as the 250 hr requirement for upgrade, I don't believe we have any such policy.

There are currently three pilot bases: Sacramento, Southern California, and Phoenix. There is also a new policy which allow pilots who choose to work double rotations (17 on 15 off) to live anywhere they wish. I do not know if this schedule is available to new hires.

 

[johnsonrod]

You are correct, the current schedule is 9 on 7 off. However, no one is required to work extra days. Occasionally, extra days are available for extra pay, but no one is ever forced to work them. As far as the 250 hr requirement for upgrade, I don't believe we have any such policy.

There are currently three pilot bases: Sacramento, Southern California, and Phoenix. There is also a new policy which allow pilots who choose to work double rotations (17 on 15 off) to live anywhere they wish. I do not know if this schedule is available to new hires.

Good info. What do you know about future aircraft deliveries? I read awhile back that bigger iron like Gulfstreams, Challengers and even Falcon 7Xs are on the table. Any recent news/rumors?

 

[t-bone]

More 10's and the addition of Challenger 300s is all that can be said with relative certainty. Anything more than that is pure speculation. 150 airplanes is what the plan calls for. We'd have more on the property already if Cessna was able to deliver them on schedule. Our most recent delivery was made to us about 5 months late.

 

[X-rated]

Looks like they are about to start looking for New York based pilots too. Also, I was able to confirm that new hires are eligable for the 17/15 schedule which allows you to live anywhere you want.

 

[GIII Instructor]

X-rated,
you might want to check with your CP BH- that 250hrs is a hard requirement. That is why I chose not to go there, great company with alot of promise, but the 250 was required AND that's 250 (flying hours) not in the jet hours... which amounts to 9mos or so. I could not afford the paycut.

 

[bizjet800]

X-rated,
you might want to check with your CP BH- that 250hrs is a hard requirement. That is why I chose not to go there, great company with alot of promise, but the 250 was required AND that's 250 (flying hours) not in the jet hours... which amounts to 9mos or so. I could not afford the paycut.

What is the pay schedule at XO Jet?

 

[X-rated]

What is the pay schedule at XO Jet?

SIC 50K and PIC 90K to start plus plenty of opportunity to make MUCH more. They're still working on the longevity package, but the preliminary numbers I've heard sound pretty darn good.

Upgrade time is around 6mo depending on prior experience. Those with time in type could upgrade much sooner, and those with low time might take quite a bit longer. It is just the reality of ARGUS/Wyvern requirements.

 

[JJET44]

Hey X,
Do you guys have a base in ILG?
I read in a company profile that there is a base there and there looks to be some flights in and out of there each day.

 

[t-bone]

Ilg

We have a MX base there in Wilmington, and a pilot or 2 that are still based there. No pilots have been hired into the base in awhile, but it was never closed as a pilot base. I'm not sure what the current status is when it comes to new hires getting based out there, but it's only a matter of time with our growth. You can live anywhere you want if you're on the 17 on, 15 off schedule. Otherwise, we're on a 9 on 7 off schedule. Days 1 and 9 overlap with the other rotation, so that's usually a travel day. If you end up at home on day 8, the new crew will usually take over the next day, as that's their day 1. Conversely, if you don't get back to base until the end of day 9, the new crew had most/all of their day 1 off. Its working out pretty well.

 

[JJET44]

We have a MX base there in Wilmington, and a pilot or 2 that are still based there. No pilots have been hired into the base in awhile, but it was never closed as a pilot base. I'm not sure what the current status is when it comes to new hires getting based out there, but it's only a matter of time with our growth. You can live anywhere you want if you're on the 17 on, 15 off schedule. Otherwise, we're on a 9 on 7 off schedule. Days 1 and 9 overlap with the other rotation, so that's usually a travel day. If you end up at home on day 8, the new crew will usually take over the next day, as that's their day 1. Conversely, if you don't get back to base until the end of day 9, the new crew had most/all of their day 1 off. Its working out pretty well.

Cool, thanx Bone.
I need to try and get a hold of some of my X-indy buddies to see if they can help out a brother.

 

[t-bone]

There's only a few left. About half of them went back to the 121 league. Good luck!

 

[twasurfer]

With the 17/15- is the 17 on like a reserve do a 3 day -home- the a 2 day -home - then a 5 day-home etc or are you "gone" for the enitre 17?

 

[JJET44]

There's only a few left. About half of them went back to the 121 league. Good luck!

I wonder why, I've been flying 135, very sim. to what XO is doing, and I love it. I vowed not to go back to the broken world of the Airlines.
I just need to find a company that's moving forward and not backward

 

[t-bone]

With the 17/15- is the 17 on like a reserve do a 3 day -home- the a 2 day -home - then a 5 day-home etc or are you "gone" for the enitre 17?

If you're on the 17/15 schedule, you need to plan on being gone for 17 days. That is way too long for me, but it works great for the guys that are on it. They get to plan on being off (hard days off) for 15 days straight. If you're out on the road and a new crew comes in and takes your airplane, it's possible that they'll airline you home rather than leave you in a hotel somewhere. The double rotation certainly isn't for everyone, but the trade off is you can live where you want. So you've gotta ask yourself what is more important to you and your family.

 

[johnsonrod]

More 10's and the addition of Challenger 300s is all that can be said with relative certainty. Anything more than that is pure speculation. 150 airplanes is what the plan calls for. We'd have more on the property already if Cessna was able to deliver them on schedule. Our most recent delivery was made to us about 5 months late.

How soon are the Challenger 300s expected to be on the line and how many have been ordered total? What about Citation Xs - how many on the line now and how many have been ordered total?

Not trying to flame, but what are some of the benefits of flying for XOJet vs. for Netjets or Flexjet? Are there any incremental benefits? I want out of the regional business and I am trying to learn more about alternatives like these.

 

[noperf]

t-bone

What about vacation days?

 

[jonjuan]

As of last December, all 300 positions were sold out until mid 2010- this included all "large orders." A million could be ordered (what NJA likes to announce). Has nothing to do with delivery dates and even actual deliveries.
Sort of amusing how us pilots get excited about management announcing "One Billion Aircraft have been ordered" and translate that to the reality of actual deliveries and of course similar company growth and supposed job stability. Orders mean nothing. Take a close look at NJA-they have have announced hundreds of deliveries over the next few years. They will actually take a fraction of those aircraft as many owners leave for other solutions (XO Jet, whole aircraft) and a HUGE number of current aircraft are exited from their fleet.
Good luck if you are anywhere near the bottom half of that seniority list.

 

[johnsonrod]

As of last December, all 300 positions were sold out until mid 2010- this included all "large orders." A million could be ordered (what NJA likes to announce). Has nothing to do with delivery dates and even actual deliveries.
Sort of amusing how us pilots get excited about management announcing "One Billion Aircraft have been ordered" and translate that to the reality of actual deliveries and of course similar company growth and supposed job stability. Orders mean nothing. Take a close look at NJA-they have have announced hundreds of deliveries over the next few years. They will actually take a fraction of those aircraft as many owners leave for other solutions (XO Jet, whole aircraft) and a HUGE number of current aircraft are exited from their fleet.
Good luck if you are anywhere near the bottom half of that seniority list.

How many Xs are currently in the fleet and how many more are expected through the end of 07? Also, does XO Jet still operate the Premier and the King Airs?

 

[cessnaxdriver]

Xo

Noperf,

As of now, no vacation days. The company is working on a compensation package that includes vacation, longevity, an other benies.

Right now we have 14 X's 2 King Air 350's, and a Premier. Taking delivery of 6 more X's this year. We should have arounf 22 by New Years. First 300 maybe next year sometime (will be annouced soon). Things are booming here... Good group of people running the show and a great group of pilots to work with.

Cheers

How many Xs are currently in the fleet and how many more are expected through the end of 07? Also, does XO Jet still operate the Premier and the King Airs?

 

[stuckinGFK]

What are the hiring minimums?

Thanks