XJT Pilots Authorize Strike!

[DirkkDiggler]

Cynic,

Thanks for doing us all a favor by not becoming a professional pilot. (Although the word professional could probably never apply to you) It's one less c0ck smoker to deal with!

 

[Nova]

So explain how I'm wrong and pilots at XJET have no culpability here?

Your lack of understanding of this industry is amazing. Perhaps you should spend more time educating yourself on the culture than spouting your "holier than thou" garbage.

You are continually throwing a 6 year old turboprop contract in the face of a pilot group that has spent the last 2+ years to raise the bar for this all jet fleet. Either you're a moron for ignoring the status of this pilot group/company or just a plain ol' as5. Which is it?

And what’s wrong with a diamond star anyway? Glass panel, good gas mileage, snappy controls…

Your critical of pilot incomes and you blew $200,000 on that?

 

[JetLinkin Park]

You guys need to watch Dr. Phil. MAybe subscribe to O magazine?

You teach people how to treat you. What did you teach the company when you accepted $17,500 a year?

So we are to never expect an increase in pay rates or quality of life? Your doctor, lawyer, dentist, hair stylist, and local hardware store clerk have all enjoyed a wage increase in the past 7 years. I guess we should be expected to live on 90's prop pay while we're flying coast to coast for mainline characters.

Nope. Not gonna do that. Piss off you pu$$y.

 

[Britpilot]

And what’s wrong with a diamond star anyway? Glass panel, good gas mileage, snappy controls…

It's a piece of plastic sh1t.

Thank you so much for turning the job down (yeah right)

 

[suupah]

TIps

well maybe it is time for the airlines to add a gratuity line to the bottom of their credit slips. Or hey, why don't we put a tip jar at the front of the plane?

But it is kind of a real downer that pilots get paid less than, well, just about everybody else.

 

[Afixedwing]

Mesa and sh*taco did most of the damage.

If your next contract sucks it's your own fault. Not Chautaqua's, or even Mesa's for that matter. (I never thought I'd be sticking up for Mesa)
If Mgmt offers a sh!tty contract... then walk, and you'll have our support.

I fly for CHQ and I'm sick of being berated by people like AviatorTx. I started after the current contract was signed.

By the way, nice touch with the banner-tow over the CAL corporate regatta -- bravo.

Regards

 

[BluDevAv8r]

If your next contract sucks it's your own fault. Not Chautaqua's, or even Mesa's for that matter. (I never thought I'd be sticking up for Mesa)

I'm sorry, but with all due respect, this just isn't the case. Pattern bargaining is just that - a pattern. Pre-9/11, airlines such as Air Wisconsin, ACA, Comair, and Horizon raised the bar with each successive contract. After 9/11, each ratified agreement settled well south of the "bar," thus causing a new "bar" to form - the post-9/11 bar unfortunately. Since 9/11, not one pilot group has topped Comair.

There are a set amount of 50-seat carriers bidding on a finite amount of feed. We are all outsourced providers of lift and if you think for a minute that the agreements settled by Mesa and CHQ (and contract extension at Skywest allowing them to fly 90 seaters at 50 seat rates) didn't affect the Air Wisconsin concessionary deal as well as the ACA deal, then you are sorely misled. Airlines in this environment are simply not incentivized to make proposals that they don't have to make. As long as someone is willing to do your job for less, then you have less leverage at the bargaining table, especially in the current political/economic bargaining environment.

If Mgmt offers a sh!tty contract... then walk, and you'll have our support.

Not quite as simple as "if management offers a sh!tty contract, then walk." There is law that we all work under called the Railway Labor Act (RLA). I'm not sure how familiar you are with the RLA or the National Mediation Board (NMB), but neither the RLA nor the NMB allow for a pilot group to simply "walk" if they don't like management's offers.

-Neal

 

[cynic]

Wow, you guys don't get...

Its not that pilots shouldn't be paid more, there we can agree. I think the starting salaries should be well over 40K a year.

Its that because of YOU they won't be paid more.

 

[BoilerUP]

Thanks for helping to hold the bar up, Cynic. Keep fighting the good fight...

 

[Afixedwing]

Wow, you guys don't get...

Its not that pilots shouldn't be paid more, there we can agree. I think the starting salaries should be well over 40K a year.

Its that because of YOU they won't be paid more.

Yes, you must be right, it is all my fault. Let me go ahed and write you a check for the difference between your paycheck and what you think you should be getting. Or better yet, perhaps I should just go ahed and quit the job that I just started, so that I can clear my conscience.

 

[MECH]

Afixwing,


Don't quit your job. Every single regional pilot has started at these low salaries with smiles on their faces. It easy to forget after a few years but we all have done the same thing. When I got hired at the company I work for, my starting hourly wage was lower then a starting flight attendant's.

Mangement will be in the driver seat for the next few years until the retirement of the baby boomers starts. When they are trying to hire 200 pilots and there is only 100 pilots willing to come to that company. They will be forced to raise pilots compensations. No different then the dot com companies of the late 90s. Until then we are stuck with the way it is.

 

[cynic]

Yes, you must be right, it is all my fault. Let me go ahed and write you a check for the difference between your paycheck and what you think you should be getting. Or better yet, perhaps I should just go ahed and quit the job that I just started, so that I can clear my conscience.

Well Gosh Darn.... thats the idea. I'm glad you finally get it. And in fact if we all did that, well then the pay wouldn't be that bad. If 'that other guy' didn't take the job then the pay would go up.... But you are that other guy....

 

[Afixedwing]

Well Gosh Darn.... thats the idea. I'm glad you finally get it. And in fact if we all did that, well then the pay wouldn't be that bad. If 'that other guy' didn't take the job then the pay would go up.... But you are that other guy....

Thank you cynic for helping me see the light. Let me see if I can get this straight. Nobody sould accept a job at any other company but yours. Anybody who does not follow this rule is the enemy.

I'll be sure to consult you and get your approval before making any more career decisions.

 

[nimtz]

Guys,

Please stop quoting cynic in your replies to his junk. I have him on the ignore list, but I still have to see his rubbish when I follow this thread.

 

[Captain X]

Just curious Cynic...how much do you make flying that Lear? CA or FO? And what model are you driving?

 

[Nova]

I'm going to guess and say his first year as a Lear FO had him getting paid $80,000 and it's gone up from there. I'm sure he wouldn't have signed on for less.

 

[VABB]

ALL RIGHT, A STRIKE!!!!

Are you guys going to actually strike for something decent or roll over like the Comair guys did?

Actually, a strike isn't going to do much. First of all, anyone still there who paid for their jobs back in the mid to late 90's will probably cross the picket line. That's a given. Second, anybody out there with a multi-commercial will come in and fly for less than what you are making now. The pay scale moves down not up.

This is a mess. People willing to sell themselves out just to call themselves an "airline pilot" and willing to top out at $60/hr. after 30 years.

The commuters have never had any type of solidarity or guts within it's pilot groups. Why do you thing so many "scabs" took advantage of PFT 10 years ago?

You should see the reaction on people's faces (non-pilots) when I tell them, not just how little you guys make, but how little you're willing to settle for when it comes to wages. But hey, there's enough ego-maniacs out there that will do it because they get to wear a uniform and fly a jet.

It's too late. Too many people willing to cross to fly for a "major". Thanks for changing this industry from a profession to a vocation.

 

[killjack]

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[Nova]

The commuters have never had any type of solidarity or guts within it's pilot groups. Why do you thing so many "scabs" took advantage of PFT 10 years ago?

You're right, the scab list shows the solidarity of over 5000 regional airline pilots. Oops, scratch that, make that MAJOR airline pilots.

 

[DirkkDiggler]

The commuters have never had any type of solidarity or guts within it's pilot groups. Why do you thing so many "scabs" took advantage of PFT 10 years ago?

If you're going to throw around big words, make sure you know what they mean!