XJT Pilots Authorize Strike!

[Skychief]

Don't know if W. considers any of the regionals 'Airlines' in the same sense of the word as the majors. Not that we are any different (except for the pay!).

RI

The problem is even if W. doesn't consider us to be the same as a major, the ramifications of XJT going on strike would hurt Continental's business, so that in turn could be looked at as a disruption on a national transportation service...not to mention the fact that our headquarters and largest base is located at an airport named after Bush senior!

Wheather or not W. would let us strike, I don't know....maybe after the election...maybe....it will definitely be interesting to see!

Skychief

 

[nonstop]

Yes R.M., I do fly the line. We might have even flown together before. If you think CAL is going to pay us our costs plus 14%, you are also on crack. If you think XJT is going to accept a compensation section that will make us wildly uncompetitive so that in 2007 CAL will just use others, you are also on crack. If you don't think that there is a bunch of RJ capacity ready to move in on your soil, you are once again, on crack. This point is enhanced even more if one of the network carriers goes Ch. 7.

Sam

"You're on crack," seriously, how about finding a new insult if you insist on using them... that's more played out than "bling bling."

Look, I understand and comprehend where you're coming from. I think that's the part you fail to grasp, you're no revelation of information. Anyone that flies the line should understand the dynamics of our dilemma by now.

The difference is, which way you lean, and which way I lean. I'd be happier bidding myself out of a job, hoping others would follow the pattern, rather than underbidding CHQ and the likes. But I believe XJT can afford to pay us considerably more than our competitors and still be competitive based on the quality and efficiency of our operation. Ream's pay certainly isn't in line with our so called "peers" in the industry.

 

[DTWFO]

I hope you guys show managment how easy it is for them to run an airline without any pilots! I'll be supporting you guys 110%. Good luck!

 

[Sam Fisher]

"You're on crack," seriously, how about finding a new insult if you insist on using them... that's more played out than "bling bling."

Look, I understand and comprehend where you're coming from. I think that's the part you fail to grasp, you're no revelation of information. Anyone that flies the line should understand the dynamics of our dilemma by now.

The difference is, which way you lean, and which way I lean. I'd be happier bidding myself out of a job, hoping others would follow the pattern, rather than underbidding CHQ and the likes. But I believe XJT can afford to pay us considerably more than our competitors and still be competitive based on the quality and efficiency of our operation. Ream's pay certainly isn't in line with our so called "peers" in the industry.

I didn't say you were on crack RM. I said "if you believe..., then you are on crack." Big difference.

But America is a wonderful place. We are all entitled to our opinions and I support that 100%. Good luck with yours.

Sam

PS - Based on your financial and operational analysis of how efficient we are and the superior quality of our operation, how much more should management pay us? And please provide your empirical data and evidence. Thanks!

 

[nonstop]

I didn't say you were on crack RM. I said "if you believe..., then you are on crack." Big difference.

But America is a wonderful place. We are all entitled to our opinions and I support that 100%. Good luck with yours.

Sam

PS - Based on your financial and operational analysis of how efficient we are and the superior quality of our operation, how much more should management pay us? And please provide your empirical data and evidence. Thanks!

I do my best to not negotiate in public (unless it's verbal and only non-management pilots are in ear shot). Though I've made some statements to clarify my position as best I can I refuse to throw specific numbers out in the public for all to debate. I believe we're undercompensated and would think we sold ourselves short if we accepted something comparable to Comair. That's as far as I'll go. Anyway, I think we've both adequately expressed our position. Take it easy.

 

[killjack]

DEAR CAPTAIN Sammy - "Shut up and pull Gear"

xoxo- (my mistake - I apologize)

 

[Sam Fisher]

DEAR Sammy - "Shut up and pull Gear"

xoxo-

Ah yes, nothing like a mature statement made from an educated pilot. A.C., is this you? Or is it JF?

Captain Sam

 

[killjack]

DEAR CAPTAIN SAMMY- AH YES - IT IS I ----xoxox

 

[Sam Fisher]

DEAR CAPTAIN SAMMY- AH YES - IT IS I ----xoxox

Well that explains the commentary. Gracias.

Captain Sammy

 

[killjack]

DEAR CAPTAIN SAMMY - Please count my "NO" vote immediately- no sense in sending me a ballot - thank you - xoxoxo

 

[killjack]

DEAR CAPTAIN SAMMY - HOW ARE YOU- PLEASE COME HOME SOON - WE MISS YOU - XOXO

 

[KATL8R26L]

Well

SO IS THIS WHAT ALL OF THE RECENT INTERNET HIGHERING IS ABOUT FOR THIS COMPANY? THEY SAY 600TT 100Multi, WOULD YOU WORK FOR 20K A YEAR?

IF SO I WILL STAY IN LANDSCAPING RUNNING MY OWN COMPANY.

 

[ILStoMinimums]

SO IS THIS WHAT ALL OF THE RECENT INTERNET HIGHERING IS ABOUT FOR THIS COMPANY? THEY SAY 600TT 100Multi, WOULD YOU WORK FOR 20K A YEAR?

IF SO I WILL STAY IN LANDSCAPING RUNNING MY OWN COMPANY.

Have they actually hired anybody with 600/100? How did they do in training?

 

[DirkkDiggler]

"I'd be happier bidding myself out of a job, hoping others would follow the pattern, rather than underbidding CHQ and the likes.

I wish they could take all you idiots who feel this way and place you at the same airline. That way you could all bid yourselves out of a job and leave the rest of us level headed folks alone. Go fuuck yourselves.

 

[surplus1]

PMJI but from these comments you have convinced me of two things: 1) Your are divided against each other. 2) On that basis your strike vote is meaningless.

I wish you luck.

 

[nonstop]

I wish they could take all you idiots who feel this way and place you at the same airline. That way you could all bid yourselves out of a job and leave the rest of us level headed folks alone. Go fuuck yourselves.

Wow, sounds like a Frank Lorenzo in the making. Professional airline pilots whom qualify for food stamps and being outraged about that makes us not level headed. Yes, what would we do without rational level headed people like you to tell us to "Go fuuck yourselves." Thank god you're here to spread sanity. :/

Do yourself a favor and stop talking until you've got a few years under your belt, kid. You've got a lot to learn.

 

[nonstop]

PMJI but from these comments you have convinced me of two things: 1) Your are divided against each other. 2) On that basis your strike vote is meaningless.

I wish you luck.

Thanks we'll need it. We all need it in this industry.

 

[Sam Fisher]

PMJI but from these comments you have convinced me of two things: 1) Your are divided against each other. 2) On that basis your strike vote is meaningless.

I wish you luck.

DD,

We are no more divided than any other pilot group. Our strike vote results do prove that if the NMB would release us, we would have no problem shutting this place down. The difference between myself and nonstop is that I don't think we will be able to strike anytime soon and in light of that, I want the contract done now. He thinks it is worth waiting for that day, whether it comes or not, so that he can shut this place down. I respect his opinion as an XJT pilot and wish him luck in his quest to shut this place down, despite the fact that I disagree with his viewpoints at this point in time. Rest assured, if the NMB would release us tomorrow, a) we would have far more leverage than we do now and b) I'd walk that picket line day in and day out, until the deal was signed.

Sam

 

[DirkkDiggler]

Do yourself a favor and stop talking until you've got a few years under your belt, kid. You've got a lot to learn.

What makes you think I don't already have more years under my belt than you? I guess the longer you're in this business the more pissed off you become and you think that because I'm not like you that I must be a newbie? I'm just not an ignorant @ss is all. The only reason we're paid such low wages is because there are more pilots than jobs. You've got to be an idiot to think a company is going to give you more money when that is the case. Did you ever get any higher education? You may have learned a bit about economics. Perhaps you didn't get past high school and that is why you're stuck at a regional and pissed off at the world. And for the guy who poopooed the idea that XJT will not be guaranteed to be the only Continental connection carrier in the next few years, go on strike and hope for the best. It's all supply and demand and if you can't supply it at competitive rates then I can assure you that 10 other companies will be happy to underbid you. You've got to take a look at the current economy as well as your competition. Just because there's no competition today doesn't mean there won't be tomorrow. Just look at what United has done to diversify its regional carriers. You guys can all do what you want. I don't work there. Just prove me right so I can have you serve my burger at McD's. I hope you don't prove me right and you all still have jobs at the end of the day but you radical folks out there deserve to be smacked back into reality.

 

[surplus1]

We are no more divided than any other pilot group. Our strike vote results do prove that if the NMB would release us, we would have no problem shutting this place down. The difference between myself and nonstop is that I don't think we will be able to strike anytime soon and in light of that, I want the contract done now. He thinks it is worth waiting for that day, whether it comes or not, so that he can shut this place down. I respect his opinion as an XJT pilot and wish him luck in his quest to shut this place down, despite the fact that I disagree with his viewpoints at this point in time. Rest assured, if the NMB would release us tomorrow, a) we would have far more leverage than we do now and b) I'd walk that picket line day in and day out, until the deal was signed.

Sam

If you are saying that you would accept an unsatisfactory agreement now, merely because you are too impatient and unwilling to wait-out the negotiating process, your thinking is beyond my comprehension.

Negotiations are normally a long an tedious process, and especially at difficult times like these. The NMB deliberately uses the "delay tactic" in an effort to force acceptance of inferior agreements. So does the Company. And so, by the way, does ALPA National. You appear to be letting them take advantage of your impatience.

When the needs of the pilot group (as opposed to the wants) have not been met and you are considering the possibility of self-help and taking "strike votes", it is not logical to say that you will strike if you can do it now but you will take a bad agreement if you have to wait. Pardon me, but that doesn't make sense.

You should never point a loaded gun (strike vote) at the Company's head unless the group is fully prepared to pull the trigger. Without complete unity of purpose, which I don't find in this thread, pulling the trigger is suicide.

Unity doesn't mean that every pilot must agree on every line in the contract. However, it does mean that the group must agree on what your "needs" really are. If you do in fact agree on the "needs", it follows you will also be willing to wait however long it takes until they are achieved AND to walk away if they are not.

IMHO, something as drastic as a strike is never warranted to satisfy your wants but is sometimes necessary to obtain your needs. If the difference between wants and needs is not clear to the group the success of a strike is unlikely.

JMO. Again, I wish you all the very best.