Wow, Delta's Earnings

[Freebrd]

Hey waveygravy!

Here you go- ill break up the contraction so you get it-

you're (you are) a condescending prick eh?

Can you find 5?

no doubt I could, but wtf cares; look it up yourself chump :beer:

 

[waveflyer]

I know you're proud of this argument- but the analogy only works if you had plans to integrate all express pilots into mainline next year.

Do you have those plans GL?
For the record I don't like AT pay or how long it's taking to integrate - but your flimsy argument is so see through even the haters here (scoot / frbrd) don't agree with you-

Why not try and stay on topic and talk about how much delta and dalpa like to sell out

Wavey,

Aren't you outsourcing to cheaper labor with a jet the same size as yours? Yes, yes you are. I understand the merger process, but most mergers try to attain pay parity quickly, especially on the same plane. Oh wait, maybe you guys wanted to shove something up their rears and give them a great "take or or leave it" offer? Sounds plausible, and it appears outsourcing to a cheaper vendor so you could get better SLI outside the "normal" arbitration process that almost every recent merger has followed. Hypocrite! Thanks to all that, I bet any loyalty other than a bit from "Benedict" Maxblast will be washed down the toilet.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[maxblast72]

I understand the merger process, but most mergers try to attain pay parity quickly, especially on the same plane. Oh wait, maybe you guys wanted to shove something up their rears and give them a great "take or or leave it" offer?

The ATN Merger Committee negotiated SIA #1 which gave pay parity to the AirTran side on 4/1/12 as well as some significant C&Rs to blunt the seniority loss until enough senior SWA pilots retired. Gary Kelly thought his $100 million per year offer was generous. The ATN MEC gave Gary Kelly the middle finger against the recommendations of the Merger Committee and attorneys. Given the fact that Gary Kelly was able to dump the B717s, I would hardly say the Plan B threat was a bluff. Fragmentation situations are never pretty. Ask the Pan Am or Eastern pilots.

Thanks to all that, I bet any loyalty other than a bit from "Benedict" Maxblast will be washed down the toilet.

Why the name calling General? You upset that I have no desire to leave a financially secure airline to start at the bottom of an airline with $26 billion in significant liabilities?

 

[BentOver]

In the last 13 years I've come across exactly 3 Delta employees who were nice, not rude, or arrogant... (they were 3 gate agents in SEA who were very very nice and helpfull)

Today I ran across another prick (female kinda maybe?) in a customs line. Had a commute to catch home and everyone in the line had no problem with me scooting ahead to catch a flight.. Well everyone (all 20 or so of them) except this one DL FA (shemale?) who babbled something incoherent about something. Only thing I could make out was that I should get the fastpass thing.. (even though I generally don't do international so it would be a waste of money for the most part) I literally looked at her and said "I lost you about 2 sentences ago!"

This was the first Delta thread I saw so it goes here...

I do feel better now though

 

[General Lee]

In the last 13 years I've come across exactly 3 Delta employees who were nice, not rude, or arrogant... (they were 3 gate agents in SEA who were very very nice and helpfull)

Today I ran across another prick (female kinda maybe?) in a customs line. Had a commute to catch home and everyone in the line had no problem with me scooting ahead to catch a flight.. Well everyone (all 20 or so of them) except this one DL FA (shemale?) who babbled something incoherent about something. Only thing I could make out was that I should get the fastpass thing.. (even though I generally don't do international so it would be a waste of money for the most part) I literally looked at her and said "I lost you about 2 sentences ago!"

This was the first Delta thread I saw so it goes here...

I do feel better now though

Wow, let me guess? You failed the psych eval..... Yeah, yeah you did.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

The ATN Merger Committee negotiated SIA #1 which gave pay parity to the AirTran side on 4/1/12 as well as some significant C&Rs to blunt the seniority loss until enough senior SWA pilots retired. Gary Kelly thought his $100 million per year offer was generous. The ATN MEC gave Gary Kelly the middle finger against the recommendations of the Merger Committee and attorneys. Given the fact that Gary Kelly was able to dump the B717s, I would hardly say the Plan B threat was a bluff. Fragmentation situations are never pretty. Ask the Pan Am or Eastern pilots.

Why the name calling General? You upset that I have no desire to leave a financially secure airline to start at the bottom of an airline with $26 billion in significant liabilities?

Max, according to other AT people on this board, you failed miserably at your negotiating post. This being an anonymous board, I have to still think they know about you and maybe know the circumstances. Do you feel bad about letting them down?

As far as DL's debt, with the help from fees that your new management is scared of, I'd say a lot of it will be paid down early. So far, that has been the case, to Wall Street's delight. DL stock has quadrupled since the merger, and record profits triple the amount of yours continue. Consolidation will continue to strengthen the big 3, no doubt. Which one will you apply to? Good luck Max.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[BentOver]

Wow, let me guess? You failed the psych eval..... Yeah, yeah you did.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Nope can't say I've ever applied to Delta.. But you do prove my point about the general attitude of nearly every Delta employee I've ever come across

 

[maxblast72]

Max, according to other AT people on this board, you failed miserably at your negotiating post. This being an anonymous board, I have to still think they know about you and maybe know the circumstances. Do you feel bad about letting them down?

The Merger Committee did not use the ATN forum or FlightInfo to gauge the opinions of the pilot group. About 1-2% of the AirTran pilots post regularly and another 20-30% were "lurkers". The Merger Committee was told to get the best negotiated deal twice by the MEC. Unfortunately for the AirTran pilot group, there was a $300 million difference between SIA #1 and SIA #2.

As far as DL's debt, with the help from fees that your new management is scared of, I'd say a lot of it will be paid down early. So far, that has been the case, to Wall Street's delight. DL stock has quadrupled since the merger, and record profits triple the amount of yours continue. Consolidation will continue to strengthen the big 3, no doubt. Which one will you apply to? Good luck Max.

You are just not getting it General. If Delta was paying corporate tax every quarter like Southwest, Delta's profits would only be about double Southwest's. But since Delta's revenues are over twice Southwest's, you still are not getting that Southwest's pre-tax margin was higher than Delta's last quarter.

But I will give you this General. Out of the big 3 carriers that have all gone bankrupt in the last 10 years, Delta is performing the best financially and will probably continue to do so. It seams likely that United-Continental and American-USAirways will continue to struggle with integration issues and fail to capitalize on all the merger synergies promised to investors.

 

[JohnQ]

In the last 13 years I've come across exactly 3 Delta employees who were nice, not rude, or arrogant... (they were 3 gate agents in SEA who were very very nice and helpfull)

Today I ran across another prick (female kinda maybe?) in a customs line. Had a commute to catch home and everyone in the line had no problem with me scooting ahead to catch a flight.. Well everyone (all 20 or so of them) except this one DL FA (shemale?) who babbled something incoherent about something. Only thing I could make out was that I should get the fastpass thing.. (even though I generally don't do international so it would be a waste of money for the most part) I literally looked at her and said "I lost you about 2 sentences ago!"

This was the first Delta thread I saw so it goes here...

I do feel better now though

So.....20 crewmembers have to let you go first because you choose to commute and are too cheap to get Global Entry (it costs $20 a YEAR). I would have let you go in front of me, as we all need to sort of take care of each other, but you seem like a rather entitled sort.

 

[Noserider76]

In the last 13 years I've come across exactly 3 Delta employees who were nice, not rude, or arrogant... (they were 3 gate agents in SEA who were very very nice and helpfull)

Today I ran across another prick (female kinda maybe?) in a customs line. Had a commute to catch home and everyone in the line had no problem with me scooting ahead to catch a flight.. Well everyone (all 20 or so of them) except this one DL FA (shemale?) who babbled something incoherent about something. Only thing I could make out was that I should get the fastpass thing.. (even though I generally don't do international so it would be a waste of money for the most part) I literally looked at her and said "I lost you about 2 sentences ago!"

This was the first Delta thread I saw so it goes here...

I do feel better now though

I think everyone just dislikes you because of your serious self entitlement attitude.

 

[BentOver]

So.....20 crewmembers have to let you go first because you choose to commute and are too cheap to get Global Entry (it costs $20 a YEAR). I would have let you go in front of me, as we all need to sort of take care of each other, but you seem like a rather entitled sort.

I can only assume you work for DL:

GL assumes everyone is dying to apply to Delta.

You have the super human power of knowing a persons personality from one post on an internet site...

See how easy it is to be able to call nearly every Delta employee I've ever come across as rude or arrogant


In this case I had no intention of cutting until another int. flight crew said "dude you should totally go to the front" And since there are about 25 daily flights to where I was going, I really have no need for crew pass, it was just this one instance of an engagement I had that the next flight would not have allowed me to make.

But then again, you're DL and know the fabric of people from a post:beer:

 

[PuffDriver]

I can only assume you work for DL:

GL assumes everyone is dying to apply to Delta.

You have the super human power of knowing a persons personality from one post on an internet site...

See how easy it is to be able to call nearly every Delta employee I've ever come across as rude or arrogant


In this case I had no intention of cutting until another int. flight crew said "dude you should totally go to the front" And since there are about 25 daily flights to where I was going, I really have no need for crew pass, it was just this one instance of an engagement I had that the next flight would not have allowed me to make.

But then again, you're DL and know the fabric of people from a post:beer:

You should have gone with your first instinct. I'm sure nobody else had a flight to catch. . You are officially a tool. Even worse you think that Delta people are the problem.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

I need to provide for my family until which time I get hired by a better carrier. Because of that requirement I have not bitch slapped the leaders of Delta, ALPA, DL ALPA, 9E's MEC, and guys like you. None of you have a clue. For that matter any Delta pilot who smiles at their f'ing profit sharing check should be bitch slapped too. For that they are doing to their fellow ALPA pilots all in the name of profits and a check. Why when a ALPA pilot who works for the same company, one ALPA pilot stays at a Double Tree while another ALPA pilot who is employed by an owned carrier of that same company stays at a 25 year old Ramada? Screw ALPA

If a Delta pilot had to deal with what a Endeavor pilot has to deal with on a daily basis they would be crying.

Our SOC/Dispatch/Maintenance are doing things that have serious safety implications. The shortage of pilots (since people are quitting) are making schedules terrible for all but the most senior. Junior manning is happening all the time, schedules are being doctored to get extra turns in under a 14 hour day. Last leg dead heads are being listed on over sold flights as standbys so that the pilot gets forced into working into days off. Releases...oh those interesting releases. 600 mile flights being filed under 10,000 ft while the 40 mile Alternate is at FL310. MX procedures are not being completed regularly and its up to the pilots to find them on every flight because it seems every aircraft has multiple MELS ( I found one HYD 1 SOV deferral in which they took out the engine driven pump entirely but did not pull the required CB's nor did they cap the hydraulic lines. Real nice. How about how many APU and single packs we fly with in the summer. I am sure those precious Delta passengers love that. I come to work and love my job, but the extra crap that they are throwing on us is just peachy. The funny thing is if I do not catch one of these things because I am flying 94 hours a month, 11 days off, 14 hour duty days all the time, and junior manned when ever they can-and since I was tired and did not find a screw up from dispatch or maintenance and something goes wrong, I get a letter in my file and Delta will not hired me because they have access to all that when I apply to Delta-when they caused it to begin with because of the crappy operation they created.

Nothing is stopping my professionalism at work, how I treat co workers and passengers and how I take pride in my job performance. But I am calling it as I see it. Glad to see Delta is doing well, maybe they will not shut us down and I will provide for my family. But the situation sucks unless you are a Delta pilot cashing a check while standing on the backs of an Endeavor pilot.

Been there, done that, got the "paid in full" t-shirt. Looks like you're the one that's crying.

 

[Monster Buck]

XJ Hawk. We all hate how it was in the regionals. Many people are trying to change that. But....if you think Delta pilots are cashing our checks because of you.....you way over value yourself and your airline. You think you are the first to fly 8/9 leg, 15/16 hour days for peanuts?

 

[waveflyer]

XJ Hawk. We all hate how it was in the regionals. Many people are trying to change that. But....if you think Delta pilots are cashing our checks because of you.....you way over value yourself and your airline. You think you are the first to fly 8/9 leg, 15/16 hour days for peanuts?

No, but it is a bigger shame that they fly coast to coast at 410 15-16 hour days on 3-5 legs-

Who voted that in?

 

[SplitBar]

I can only assume you work for DL:




In this case I had no intention of cutting until another int. flight crew said "dude you should totally go to the front" And since there are about 25 daily flights to where I was going, I really have no need for crew pass, it was just this one instance of an engagement I had that the next flight would not have allowed me to make.

I fly a lot of international and a lot of international crew members tend to be commuters. I can guarantee you that in a line of 20 crew members waiting to clear customs, there is more than one that is tight on time to catch their commute. If you feel your time is more valuable than theirs then go ahead and skip to the front of the line, otherwise you should wait your turn like everyone else.

 

[Monster Buck]

No, but it is a bigger shame that they fly coast to coast at 410 15-16 hour days on 3-5 legs-

Who voted that in?

coast to coast....you mean with five stops along the way like you?

 

[Twisted Mind]

A CRJ-900 can go from JFK to MSP and then LAX. One stop. The game has changed drastically since 911. It does look like Delta pilots are cashing checks on the backs of regional guys when Delta pilots get a 20% pay raise to outsorce more large RJ's.

 

[Monster Buck]

A CRJ-900 can go from JFK to MSP and then LAX. One stop. The game has changed drastically since 911. It does look like Delta pilots are cashing checks on the backs of regional guys when Delta pilots get a 20% pay raise to outsorce more large RJ's.

Then the same can be said for the bk era of the majors. The majors were bk and the regional guys were cashing their checks on the backs of mainline pilots who took 30% pay cuts.

I remember being at the regionals and getting new planes when the majors were furloughing. I was getting paid off the backs of the NWA pilots then right?

The five stops was a dig at Mr. SWA cool guy. Not that I don't understand how far an rj can fly.

 

[SAABaroowski]

Jesus Christ, talk about "first world problems" both SWA & DAL guys on this thread should take a ********************ing breather and get off the Internet and go enjoy your $100,000.00 + salary with your kids or something.

 

[Monster Buck]

Jesus Christ, talk about "first world problems" both SWA & DAL guys on this thread should take a ********************ing breather and get off the Internet and go enjoy your $100,000.00 + salary with your kids or something.

they are taking naps right now and its raining outside....btw you are on here too...don't you have something better to do?

try not to be so angry, its just hangar chat and bitching, it's what pilots do since we have so many days off right?

 

[SAABaroowski]

they are taking naps right now and its raining outside....btw you are on here too...don't you have something better to do?

try not to be so angry, its just hangar chat and bitching, it's what pilots do since we have so many days off right?

I'm not angry. I'm on here, but don't take it as seriously as GL, who statistically spends probably 80% of his day on here. If Delta was sooooooooooo wonderful and his life was so fulfilling, I highly doubt he would have 15,000+ posts trying to convince everyone how great he and his career are.

 

[Monster Buck]

I'm not angry. I'm on here, but don't take it as seriously as GL, who statistically spends probably 80% of his day on here. If Delta was sooooooooooo wonderful and his life was so fulfilling, I highly doubt he would have 15,000+ posts trying to convince everyone how great he and his career are.

Well I'm not him and I also am amazed at how much he is on here, he is definitely a different bird but he is one of 12000. That being said I can't speak for him or anyone else but for me Delta is wonderful and fulfilling as far as my flying career goes.

But like some guys on here tell me its because I am taking it off the backs of the regional guys. Funny, I don't remember feeling that way when I flew in the regionals, maybe I'm the oddball.

 

[jonjuan]

I fly a lot of international and a lot of international crew members tend to be commuters. I can guarantee you that in a line of 20 crew members waiting to clear customs, there is more than one that is tight on time to catch their commute. If you feel your time is more valuable than theirs then go ahead and skip to the front of the line, otherwise you should wait your turn like everyone else.

But, every other person ahead of him said, Dude, go right to the front. You deserve it. Did you used to work for netjets or something?

 

[SAABaroowski]

Well I'm not him and I also am amazed at how much he is on here, he is definitely a different bird but he is one of 12000. That being said I can't speak for him or anyone else but for me Delta is wonderful and fulfilling as far as my flying career goes.

But like some guys on here tell me its because I am taking it off the backs of the regional guys. Funny, I don't remember feeling that way when I flew in the regionals, maybe I'm the oddball.

I have no doubt that Delta is an absolutely great place to be, but it's certainly not the only one, despite what GL thinks

 

[waveflyer]

Well I'm not him and I also am amazed at how much he is on here, he is definitely a different bird but he is one of 12000. That being said I can't speak for him or anyone else but for me Delta is wonderful and fulfilling as far as my flying career goes.

But like some guys on here tell me its because I am taking it off the backs of the regional guys. Funny, I don't remember feeling that way when I flew in the regionals, maybe I'm the oddball.

Maybe ill change my sign in to SWACOOL73

Or I can just ask a honest question- what is it about a crj900 that makes DALPA not want to fly them?

Take all the potshots at me all you want, but maybe I was one of those furloughed mainline guys, whove had your career and then some, flying those new airplanes in your right seat- if so- thank you- bc all were great pilots and class acts-
Very few believed in outsourcing at this level and size of jet- why do you defend it?

 

[Monster Buck]

Ok i'll bite, i'm sure they are rhetorical but.....You know very well that I don't want any outsourcing, we could write a new book on why this industry is the way it is. I voted no on our last contract on the one item that crossed my line in the sand...more 76 seaters. However that was not a deal breaker for about 67 percent of my fellow pilots. Also the truth is the company would never let us fly the rj's even for the regional prices. We did however get a new 107 seat ac and are doing many new former rj routes. That part was a move in the right direction. I like that you guys make good money, it helps everyone but our airlines have two very different models. The delta product goes by the way of trying to offer its customers the ability to go anywhere there is airline service in the world. That's obliviously going to be in ac all the way across the size spectrum, just like United, American ....Your model is different and I hope it continues to work for you guys.

 

[waveflyer]

Another No voter-

Ok-
And you have to work alongside all the yes men-
But until your group as the most influential pilot union in the world figures out the divide and conquer game management plays- this career will keep down sliding

 

[Twisted Mind]

Let me recap. Delta votes for out sourcing receives a 20% raise. Pinnacle takes a azz wooping in BK. Monster Buck is jelly of the regional pilots who are profiting of Delta pilot's misfortune. Did I get that correct?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Wow, let me guess? You failed the psych eval..... Yeah, yeah you did.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Like you ever could have passed it.....