Wow, Delta's Earnings

[waveflyer]

He calls out others for being "scared" but has me on ignore.

GL-- i have pointed out all those things. NO, you can't just get rid of all rj's at once. I never suggested that-

YOU have to suggest that's what i'm saying bc your argument is so flimsy. Youre the Fox news of FI- just repeat something untrue often enough and you think you can still paint the perception of what i'm saying and discredit me. Classy as we expect from you GL.

What you didn't need to do was allow the INCREASE in the number of CRJ 900's - Why did that number need to increase just when economic pressure was going to naturally decrease the number of 50 seaters? Why couldn't DALPA fly those airplanes if the delta system needed them so bad?

You reloaded the whipsaw market with hundreds more "economically viable, profitable "RJs"' and gave away what is essentially a few seats short of your DC9's

And yes- a -900 is a 90 seater. The extra space is used for a very profitable first class.
by your logic Gen, it would be ok for republic and skywest to fly 737's if they were configured to 76 seats??

you guys are sellouts-

nice profit- that helps me- but don't expect to ever get a pass on leading the charge in outsourcing. Management knows you guys have no line in the sand. All they have to do is muddy the waters a bit, and add in a bit of incentives and you guys will always boil the frog to larger and larger outsourcing.

 

[PuffDriver]

He calls out others for being "scared" but has me on ignore.

GL-- i have pointed out all those things. NO, you can't just get rid of all rj's at once. I never suggested that-

YOU have to suggest that's what i'm saying bc your argument is so flimsy. Youre the Fox news of FI- just repeat something untrue often enough and you think you can still paint the perception of what i'm saying and discredit me. Classy as we expect from you GL.

What you didn't need to do was allow the INCREASE in the number of CRJ 900's - Why did that number need to increase just when economic pressure was going to naturally decrease the number of 50 seaters? Why couldn't DALPA fly those airplanes if the delta system needed them so bad?

You reloaded the whipsaw market with hundreds more "economically viable, profitable "RJs"' and gave away what is essentially a few seats short of your DC9's

And yes- a -900 is a 90 seater. The extra space is used for a very profitable first class.
by your logic Gen, it would be ok for republic and skywest to fly 737's if they were configured to 76 seats??

you guys are sellouts-

nice profit- that helps me- but don't expect to ever get a pass on leading the charge in outsourcing. Management knows you guys have no line in the sand. All they have to do is muddy the waters a bit, and add in a bit of incentives and you guys will always boil the frog to larger and larger outsourcing.

Let's see.....civilian crj pilot with a 737 type. Did you sell out by paying for training or by substandard rates at Air Tran to get your foot in the door?

And yes, the Delta pilots sold out. That doesn't make you any less of a hypocrite.

 

[waveflyer]

Well, you're missing a step. How about furloughed legacy pilot and turboprop capt before I ever stepped foot in an RJ.

My "brothers" sold out my job while I was on furlough- and I made the best of things and have more than taken care of my family and landed on my feet. Including using the furlough to start a business. I used that money to buy my type after being offered employment by SWA- but lets say I bought it years before trying to pad my resume?. An INDIVIDUAL making an INDIVIDUAL CHOICE is a much different thing than a collective group making a choice that other COLLECTIVE groups will have to work under. I absolutely hate outsourcing, and what you miss is outsourcing takes a legacy pilot vote to happen. This isn't a which comes first- a vote or a pilot who accepts a job. We know the vote comes first. And those votes are neither simple nor un-worthy of critique.

But profitability only helps our case against outsourcing and I'm very happy to see these numbers put up by delta.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Hey Wavehole....

When you get done with your next trip, head back down to South Beach and hand out free Oral favors so you can get your dignity back you PAy for type hypocrite!!

 

[Count Dracula]

You all are your own worst enemies. What goes around comes around. There are so many knives in each other's backs in this business, you all should tape a commercial for CASE or BUCK. Pathetic......

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

You all are your own worst enemies. What goes around comes around. There are so many knives in each other's backs in this business, you all should tape a commercial for CASE or BUCK. Pathetic......

Thanks George Will...

Glad you chimed in!

 

[scoreboardII]

I prefer a good Buck folder, Case quality is down lately.

Ladies, until we act like we are all pilots doing the same thing, demand the same thing, management has us in the barrel.

 

[Turtle21]

Thanks for the rape and the pay cut Delta.

Sincerely,

Endeavor Pilots (Pinnacle)

Do Pinnacle pilots have an ATP? <<sarcasm.

Yes ALPA set up a scam from the beginning. All pilots are equal except some pilots are more equal than other pilots. Whoopee, some ATPs get paid ten times as much as other ATPs in the same profession despite a "national union". WTF?

Where the h#ll is Rez and PCL so they can tell us how this makes sense.

 

[Turtle21]

Twisted Mind? Really?

Somebody didn't hug you or something growing up?

Do tell these opportunities I have had?
I have luckily never been furloughed but did lose my pension.....but love my job!! I don't blame other people for my life's choices. Nothings fair, Then again, I am dealing with people like you and XJ who are part of the problem with this world, who want it all handed to them and then when it doesn't pan out, blame somebody else.

Nice hit and run Twisted....so hike up your skirt and join the debate instead of calling somebody a whiner (ooooOOooooo) or PM me if you are scared. This oughta be good!

Enough of this "my choices" crap. Professional pilots have ATPs, and yes to get that ATP "their choices" and hard work are about 95% the reason they earned it.

But a pilots career progression is about 95% luck, timing, and circumstances, and no body should be crowing about their "choices" until they are retired, and by then they will know its only the inexperienced and immature who crow about their choices. I am sick of pilots that are equal professionals looking down or up at others as if their "choice" of employer means more than a fart.

 

[PuffDriver]

Well, you're missing a step. How about furloughed legacy pilot and turboprop capt before I ever stepped foot in an RJ.

My "brothers" sold out my job while I was on furlough- and I made the best of things and have more than taken care of my family and landed on my feet. Including using the furlough to start a business. I used that money to buy my type after being offered employment by SWA- but lets say I bought it years before trying to pad my resume?. An INDIVIDUAL making an INDIVIDUAL CHOICE is a much different thing than a collective group making a choice that other COLLECTIVE groups will have to work under. I absolutely hate outsourcing, and what you miss is outsourcing takes a legacy pilot vote to happen. This isn't a which comes first- a vote or a pilot who accepts a job. We know the vote comes first. And those votes are neither simple nor un-worthy of critique.

But profitability only helps our case against outsourcing and I'm very happy to see these numbers put up by delta.

You can color it any way you want, but Delta pilots "selling out" is really no different than pilots joining a lower paid airline to get their foot in the door or paying for your job via a type rating. (you can deny pft all you want, but we all know what is going on)

Chastising Delta pilots collective behavior, while defending yours makes you a hypocrite. Individual choices are much easier to make, and control. Trying to get 14K pilots to turn down a 21% raise is much more difficult.

BTW, I am not knocking you for taking care of your family. There are much more important things in life than flying airplanes. People will find ways to take care of themselves, especially in this business. Some fly maximum, some sue, some scab, some call in sick to do their "other job", some cheat, some just do their jobs and go home. There is no such thing as a "collective group" anymore. Those days died long ago.

I could go on an on about the SWA pilot group, and how they continuously screw the entire piloting profession. You could make a case that everyone is working more, making less, and lacking retirement due to SWA pilots hanging on the bar since their inception, but then IO become you. Griping about not getting your love, how your pilot group screwed you, how the Delta pilots screwed you, and everything else just makes you a hypocrite. I will give you credit, your story is unique--just like everyone else's.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Enough of this "my choices" crap. Professional pilots have ATPs, and yes to get that ATP "their choices" and hard work are about 95% the reason they earned it.

But a pilots career progression is about 95% luck, timing, and circumstances, and no body should be crowing about their "choices" until they are retired, and by then they will know its only the inexperienced and immature who crow about their choices. I am sick of pilots that are equal professionals looking down or up at others as if their "choice" of employer means more than a fart.

+1 Point taken Turtle

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I prefer a good Buck folder, Case quality is down lately.

Ladies, until we act like we are all pilots doing the same thing, demand the same thing, management has us in the barrel.

Mark the date....I agree entirely with Scoreboard

 

[Scoot 11]

You can color it any way you want, but Delta pilots "selling out" is really no different than pilots joining a lower paid airline to get their foot in the door or paying for your job via a type rating. (you can deny pft all you want, but we all know what is going on)

Chastising Delta pilots collective behavior, while defending yours makes you a hypocrite. Individual choices are much easier to make, and control. Trying to get 14K pilots to turn down a 21% raise is much more difficult.

BTW, I am not knocking you for taking care of your family. There are much more important things in life than flying airplanes. People will find ways to take care of themselves, especially in this business. Some fly maximum, some sue, some scab, some call in sick to do their "other job", some cheat, some just do their jobs and go home. There is no such thing as a "collective group" anymore. Those days died long ago.

I could go on an on about the SWA pilot group, and how they continuously screw the entire piloting profession. You could make a case that everyone is working more, making less, and lacking retirement due to SWA pilots hanging on the bar since their inception, but then IO become you. Griping about not getting your love, how your pilot group screwed you, how the Delta pilots screwed you, and everything else just makes you a hypocrite. I will give you credit, your story is unique--just like everyone else's.

Effing AAAA! A must read! And couldn't have been said better!:beer:

 

[redflyer65]

DALPA outsources almost 1 thousand RJ's at the heyday (twice the number of airframes that SW even operates by the way), meanwhile SW has NEVER had one RJ on the property and you guys are celebrating Puff's post? How many thousands of jobs lost at Delta over the past 15+ years because of that short sighted decision? How many dues dollars lost to your local union?

Wow.

 

[SplitBar]

I need to provide for my family until which time I get hired by a better carrier. Because of that requirement I have not bitch slapped the leaders of Delta, ALPA, DL ALPA, 9E's MEC, and guys like you. None of you have a clue. For that matter any Delta pilot who smiles at their f'ing profit sharing check should be bitch slapped too. For that they are doing to their fellow ALPA pilots all in the name of profits and a check. Why when a ALPA pilot who works for the same company, one ALPA pilot stays at a Double Tree while another ALPA pilot who is employed by an owned carrier of that same company stays at a 25 year old Ramada? Screw ALPA

If a Delta pilot had to deal with what a Endeavor pilot has to deal with on a daily basis they would be crying.

Our SOC/Dispatch/Maintenance are doing things that have serious safety implications. The shortage of pilots (since people are quitting) are making schedules terrible for all but the most senior. Junior manning is happening all the time, schedules are being doctored to get extra turns in under a 14 hour day. Last leg dead heads are being listed on over sold flights as standbys so that the pilot gets forced into working into days off. Releases...oh those interesting releases. 600 mile flights being filed under 10,000 ft while the 40 mile Alternate is at FL310. MX procedures are not being completed regularly and its up to the pilots to find them on every flight because it seems every aircraft has multiple MELS ( I found one HYD 1 SOV deferral in which they took out the engine driven pump entirely but did not pull the required CB's nor did they cap the hydraulic lines. Real nice. How about how many APU and single packs we fly with in the summer. I am sure those precious Delta passengers love that. I come to work and love my job, but the extra crap that they are throwing on us is just peachy. The funny thing is if I do not catch one of these things because I am flying 94 hours a month, 11 days off, 14 hour duty days all the time, and junior manned when ever they can-and since I was tired and did not find a screw up from dispatch or maintenance and something goes wrong, I get a letter in my file and Delta will not hired me because they have access to all that when I apply to Delta-when they caused it to begin with because of the crappy operation they created.

Nothing is stopping my professionalism at work, how I treat co workers and passengers and how I take pride in my job performance. But I am calling it as I see it. Glad to see Delta is doing well, maybe they will not shut us down and I will provide for my family. But the situation sucks unless you are a Delta pilot cashing a check while standing on the backs of an Endeavor pilot.

I could understand if you had a beef with DAL Management but why are you pi$$ed @ the pilots? It's your pilot group that voted 85% in favor of the concessions. It wasn't the Delta pilots that shoved the concessions down your throat.