"With you"

[ImbracableCrunk]

Tally Ho....drive me up the wall...

good buddy doing IOE:

new fo "tally ho traffic, 3 o'clock"

my buddy "you know, the only people who say 'tally ho' are fighter pilots and (english cigarettes) and what did you fly in the airforce?...."

new fo "uh...I was a cfi..."
my buddy "riiiiight..."

Dear Sir,

As a British fox hunter, it drives me crazy when you fighter pilots insist on stealing our "Tally ho!" call. Please cease and desist, post haste!

Sincerely,
Lord Belvedere Sandringham

Dear Sir,

As a Saracen fighter, I deplore the use of our "Tally Ho!" [Tal hum] phrase by
you English fox hunters. Please stop before a jihad is caused.

Sincerely,
Dirka M. Dirka

 

[lowery21]

This proves my point that aviation draws certain distinct personality types. Unfortunately, "D-bag" is one of them.

 

[tracearabians]

Are you sure you don't work for Southern Pipe and Supply ?

 

[Jack-O-Lantern]

Professional pilots sound like student pilots when they use "with you" in their initial transmissions to ATC. Here's a clue -- ATC knows you are "with them" by the fact you are talking to them! It's redundant and a waste of radio time....especially the stupid "checking in with you". Try dropping the "with you" crap and sound a bit more professional and like you've flown in other parts of the world. Next time you hear "with you" consider how stupid it sounds....and is. It's just a bad habit.

Also...drop the "Any chance..." when what you really meant to do is request something. i.e. "Comair 123 requesting direct xyz".

Goda says with you!

 

[Amish RakeFight]

just got back to this thread after a few days.

This mach80 guy thinks so rigidly, I'd have to question if he's a captain at all. Otherwise, he just doesn't budge or have an ability to see things other than what's pedantic. This tells me he may just be flaming too. Check his profile out... yeah, 22K and 20 years and you've not loosened up or understood what shouldn't have to be explained. Proof of age 60 - you're getting senile pops.

Did your dog die or something?!

 

[Bluto]

All I have to ask is this....

Why does it offend you guys so much when someone shows you the right way to do something? You guys are like a bunch of crying children who were told you have to run ALL the bases to get a point....

Why don't you try the old, tried and true STFU method?

I get so sick of you babying. I guess we should just drop all the structure of aviating and make no standard, that way you can all have your upgrade before you even learn how to be an FO, have your iPod, backpack, boots, queer looking hairstyles, and get to say things like "with you" and sound like an idiot but not care.

Grow up! High school is O-V-E-R!!!!

Every time someone points out something you could do better you start crying. Boo Frickety Hoo! You're no fun to fly with! You hurt my little feelings! Quit picking on me! I can do what I want!

Geez.

Terry, I was just going to quote part of your post, but upon re-reading it, there was nothing I could cut.
I couldn't have said it better myself.

Could he have said it more nicely? Sure. But mach 80 makes valid points that the vast majority of you are missing. The "regionals" section gets more ridiculous every day. Grow up guys. You represent this industry. Have some pride and discipline.

 

[pgcfii2002]

777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777

 

[pgcfii2002]

"No Joy".......

 

[Thug Life]

Stop Sayin With You

 

[pgcfii2002]

Stop saying No Joy.............

 

[EMB170Pilot]

wow pgcfii, you are actually saying something besides...I see this turning into a PFT argument.

I honestly thought you had only 1 braincell on FI:beer:

 

[Thug Life]

Stop sayin Pause and Hold What the hell is that? Are you that lazy to say position and hold? Go home and play your X Box

 

[HelloNewman]

Actually I never directly critique my F/O and how he talks on the radio. Rather, when someone else says "with you" I simply ask him, with a chuckle, if he ever thought how redundant and totally useless and stupid the phrase is. Usually they say something like - they never thought about it, but now that that you mention it, it IS stupid. I find if they had been saying it, they usually try to stop doing it having now realized how utterly dumb it is.

Now....as to things like "Have a nice day" --- another total waste of time. How mundane and insincere. As if...."I wasn't planning on having a nice day, but now that you mention it, I think I will." I especially like the guys who think they have to ask each and every controller they are "checking in with YOU (and not anyone else) ..how ya doing?" As if whatever the controller responds with...that is, IF he does.....means one iota to the pilot asking. It's like going into a store and the totally stranger clerk asks you "How are you?"...as if they really care...therefore I always thank them for asking and then go into a 30 second speil -- "my ingrown toenail got taken care of, the boil on my back got lanced yesterday and feels MUCH better now that it's almost all drained but I still have a little bandage for the last bit , the VD test results turned out negative, I finally got rid of that thing under my armpit....so I'm doing pretty well...thanks for asking!" Try it when walking in with your wife or girlfriend...she'll be impressed with you and not embarrased at all.

35 years in this buisness eh? How bout you pop a viagra, get laid and get a life. lol only losers like you actually worry about this crap. Who gives a crap. All that matters is a safe landing and no traffic conflicts by improper readbacks. The rest doesn't matter. Go to bed old man.

 

[AV80R]

Professional pilots sound like student pilots when they use "with you" in their initial transmissions to ATC...Also...drop the "Any chance..." when what you really meant to do is request something. i.e. "Comair 123 requesting direct xyz".

I totally agree with you! To say "with you" is very unprofessional.

That's why I always say: "Atlanta Center... how y'all doin'?"

Also, I don’t ever ask: “any chance direct…?”

I just say: “hey - gimme direct ATL – will ya?” Always works!

 

[JustaNumber]

Who gives a crap. All that matters is a safe landing and no traffic conflicts by improper readbacks. The rest doesn't matter.

Are you serious? I hope you never upgrade, for the sake of every passenger who ever flies on your airplane.

Sure, "...with you" never killed anybody, but it's the pursuit of perfection that makes you a better and safer pilot. Your overall attitude of not giving a crap about doing your job well makes you a scary pilot whom I would never let my loved ones fly with.

And for the record, nonstandard phraseology (and poor CRM) has been responsible for several notable aviation accidents, including the worst aviation disaster in history. Some of you guys need to grow up.

 

[AV80R]

Oh yes..the "Blocked" policemen. I never say "blocked" because half the time the guy hears the transmission anyway despite you thinking it was completely "blocked".

I agree with mega - not too long ago we were asked to turn 30 degrees right for traffic; however the call was blocked so we actually didn’t hear more than a word or so of the clearance but we figured the controller would repeat it.

We had no idea it was for us until a Cactus pilot asked who the call was for. First then did we realize we needed to turn - it was about 10 minutes later so I guess the controller either got busy or forgot about us and the fact we never replied to his call. Never hurts to double check. We thanked the Cactus pilot on radio btw; I guess that’s yet another no-no huh?

 

[airspeedsalive]

Has anyone mentioned that Mesa sucks yet?

 

[HelloNewman]

Are you serious? I hope you never upgrade, for the sake of every passenger who ever flies on your airplane.

Sure, "...with you" never killed anybody, but it's the pursuit of perfection that makes you a better and safer pilot. Your overall attitude of not giving a crap about doing your job well makes you a scary pilot whom I would never let my loved ones fly with.

And for the record, nonstandard phraseology (and poor CRM) has been responsible for several notable aviation accidents, including the worst aviation disaster in history. Some of you guys need to grow up.

Perfection is for weiners. You always remember in college C's make degrees which means you still passed. Sure certain phrases may not be perfect but who cares Sounds like someone else needs to take his viagra!!! BTW the worst disaster (747s colliding) was a dork captain who thought he was boss of all things and his crew too scared to question him. Plus he was european which doesn't help matters.

 

[TheDude280]

i like saying "roger, standing by" or "disregarding!" its good to let atc know that you are doing that stuff! Just in case

Nooooooooonan! Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssssssssssss it! Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiss it!

 

[JustaNumber]

Perfection is for weiners. You always remember in college C's make degrees which means you still passed. Sure certain phrases may not be perfect but who cares Sounds like someone else needs to take his viagra!!! BTW the worst disaster (747s colliding) was a dork captain who thought he was boss of all things and his crew too scared to question him. Plus he was european which doesn't help matters.

If you studied the Tenerife accident, you would know that the F/O made up his own phrase, "we are at takeoff" which is vague and meaningless. If he had formed a habit pattern of always using standard phraseology, his words would have gotten the attention of a lot more people, and the accident may very well have been avoided.

What blows me away, though, is your slack-ass attitude of mediocrity. You have no business ever being a captain, and even no business in the business end of an airliner. In fact, not only are you a slacker, you are a dishonest, lying slacker. I'm sure you never mentioned your true beliefs to the interviewer who hired you. If you're so proud of yourself and think you're so right, try saying what you told me at your next interview. Good luck with that. May God have mercy on your passengers.

 

[pgcfii2002]

I grew some braincells this week....gave up sniffing glue.

wow pgcfii, you are actually saying something besides...I see this turning into a PFT argument.

I honestly thought you had only 1 braincell on FI:beer:

 

[Kream926]

someone please lock this thread

 

[McNugget]

There is much work to be done, yet. For example, which regional airline has the least professional pilots on the radio? How about a poll?

Does PFT affect how well one talks on the radio?

Who is better on the radio, XJET or SKYW?

 

[Kream926]

thats a no brainer....colgan!

 

[beefcake33]

jezzzzz, 'with you' or 'checking in' serves a valid purpose to the controller who is "on the land line". It lets them know what type of radio call it is. And in the end, mach 8.0 (although I know you'd never fly that cuz you're to by the book), when I'm having a beer or two, or fifteen, I'm sure I won't be "with you".....

 

[BoilerUP]

"What blows me away, though, is your slack-ass attitude of mediocrity."

I just want to say this is one of, if not the, greatest lines ever to grace the Regionals board on Flightinfo.com. Bravo, JustaNumber!

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Professional pilots sound like student pilots when they use "with you" in their initial transmissions to ATC. Here's a clue -- ATC knows you are "with them" by the fact you are talking to them! It's redundant and a waste of radio time....especially the stupid "checking in with you". Try dropping the "with you" crap and sound a bit more professional and like you've flown in other parts of the world. Next time you hear "with you" consider how stupid it sounds....and is. It's just a bad habit.

Also...drop the "Any chance..." when what you really meant to do is request something. i.e. "Comair 123 requesting direct xyz".

I'd say I'm "with you" on this, but I'm not... folks can't help sticking phrases like that into their speech as a part of normal everyday human communication...besides, your way doesn't sound necessarily more "professional" - rather, it sounds like something we'd hear in a movie...and you know how we pilots feel about movies about pilots!

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

There is much work to be done, yet. For example, which regional airline has the least professional pilots on the radio? How about a poll?

Does PFT affect how well one talks on the radio?

Who is better on the radio, XJET or SKYW?

Oh, no man, don't do this....!:bomb:

 

[Booker]

Well, I'm sure Mach80 is quite satisfied with his handiwork here. Maybe we can keep this thread going for a year. That way, he won't have to re-post it next June...again.

--Booker, who peeks at "mediocre" and usually dwells in the "piss-poor" regime

 

[JustaNumber]

What this thread boils down to, and the reason it has reached 8 pages, is that it illuminates the tension in the cockpit between those pilots who strive to be the best pilots they can be, and the wanna-be pilots who do just the bare minimum to get and keep their jobs.

If you're reading this, you need to ask yourself what kind of pilot you would want on the flight you're deadheading on? What if your wife/mother/kids were on the flight? Especially if something went wrong? Would you rather have Mach80, who is anal about every detail, or HelloNewman, who doesn't give a crap about anything but making it to the drunkfest on the overnight?

First Officers, you need to ask yourself what kind of pilot you are, and what kind of captain you want to be.