"With you"

[Occam's Razor]

I hear the NWA guy calling center during an extremely busy time and using the "How you doing today, we are on a 270 heading, looking for higher and normal speed and what are the rides like at FL370?" All this being transmitted simultaneously with others.

Notice he didn't say "with you"?

Go back to picking on "regional" pilots. Some of them might still think you make sense.

 

[Cardinal]

This is the ultimate irony

Occam's Razor:

"one should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything" http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/occamraz.html

"as a heuristic maxim that advises economy, parsimony, or simplicity"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor

"Plurality should not be posited without necessity."
http://philosophy.wisc.edu/simplicity/
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A poster with such a handle should be leading the charge aginst redundant, unnecesary verbiage such as "with you," not mocking those who advocate economy of speech.

 

[retired guy]

You guys must be really, really bored if this is all you have to gripe about.

 

[dseagrav]

Of course, you know where this comes from, right?

Flight Simulator says "with you".

 

[kevdog]

Of course, you know where this comes from, right?

Flight Simulator says "with you".

Maybe the designers listened to a freq and continually heard pilots come on and say "with you."

 

[labbats]

Saying "with you" is pretty lame, but not waiting at all before you push the mike button to see if you are interrupting is awful. It's constant, annoying and unprofessional.

 

[Occam's Razor]

This is the ultimate irony


Occam's Razor:

"one should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything" http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/occamraz.html

"as a heuristic maxim that advises economy, parsimony, or simplicity"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor

"Plurality should not be posited without necessity."
http://philosophy.wisc.edu/simplicity/

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A poster with such a handle should be leading the charge aginst redundant, unnecesary verbiage such as "with you," not mocking those who advocate economy of speech.

The poster thinks the whole thread is unnecessary verbiage. He thinks he responded to a cheap shot by another poster on the forum.

Other unnecessary verbiage I often hear:

"Good morning"
"Thank you"
"Got a score for the playoffs?"
"Adios"

You're tilting a windmills. That's cool until some yahoo slimes MY comrades as if HIS are the paragons of proper R/T technique.

I'd type a proverb about people in glass houses, but I think the point has been made...so it would be contrary to a policy of economy, parsimony, or simplicity.

 

[sky37d]

okay, so I'm reading this, because we all want to sound good. So, I'm taking off from my little uncontrolled field, and call up the local tower, which is 9.8 DME from my airport, and I say, according to the things I have read:

Approach, xyz off of ABC, instruments to zyw, 1800 ft climbing, 350 heading.

Now, the controller knows I'm squaking 1200, cause I'm off an uncontrolled airfield, and when I was last talking to him (her) they said sqauak 1200..

So if I do that, the above, is it correct?

 

[A Squared]

okay, so I'm reading this, because we all want to sound good. So, I'm taking off from my little uncontrolled field, and call up the local tower, which is 9.8 DME from my airport, and I say, according to the things I have read:

Approach, xyz off of ABC, instruments to zyw, 1800 ft climbing, 350 heading.

Now, the controller knows I'm squaking 1200, cause I'm off an uncontrolled airfield, and when I was last talking to him (her) they said sqauak 1200..

So if I do that, the above, is it correct?

I'm not really sure what you're trying to do here. WHy would you be talking to tower if that's not your destination? If you're talking to tower, why would you call them "approach"? and if you're IFR, why would you be squawking 1200 or conversely, if you're VFR, why would you tell them you're "instruments" (whatever that means; find "instuments" in the AIM)

Are you trying to proceed VFR to the primary airport? are you trying to get VFR flight following? are you trying to pick up an IFR clearance in the air? what are you trying to do? I expect the controller will be at least as confused as me, unless there's something he knows that you're not telling us. .

 

[JimNtexas]

As long as we are beating the usual horses, IMHO the real tools are the ones who don't say "emergency" when they need ATC priority because they have an emergency.

 

[sky37d]

I'm not really sure what you're trying to do here. WHy would you be talking to tower if that's not your destination? If you're talking to tower, why would you call them "approach"? and if you're IFR, why would you be squawking 1200 or conversely, if you're VFR, why would you tell them you're "instruments" (whatever that means; find "instuments" in the AIM)

Are you trying to proceed VFR to the primary airport? are you trying to get VFR flight following? are you trying to pick up an IFR clearance in the air? what are you trying to do? I expect the controller will be at least as confused as me, unless there's something he knows that you're not telling us. .

OOPs, meant, that I would call up departure, at the nearby controlled airport. I frequently take off from here, vfr, or with a void time clearance. If I have a void time, I get a squak code from them before I leave the ground, but if I can maintain vfr, I get off the ground and say hello, but not "with you"

 

[A Squared]

OOPs, meant, that I would call up departure, at the nearby controlled airport. I frequently take off from here, vfr, or with a void time clearance. If I have a void time, I get a squak code from them before I leave the ground, but if I can maintain vfr, I get off the ground and say hello, but not "with you"

OK, if you're on a clearence and have a code, that clearence will have been coordinated through the approach facility. They will already know who you are, where you're coming from, where you're going and what you're squawking. All you need to say is: XYZ approach, Skymaster 123xz, through 900, climbing 5,000.

If you're VFR and you want to pick up your clearance , I'd say something like, XYZ Approach, Skymaster 123xz, off ABC, request clearance to PDQ. If you've filed your IFR flightplan, the controller at approach should have your info.

 

[Fearless Tower]

I'd say something like, XYZ Approach, Skymaster 123xz, off ABC, request clearance to PDQ. quote]

ATC ever confuse you with a C-337?

 

[A Squared]

I'd say something like, XYZ Approach, Skymaster 123xz, off ABC, request clearance to PDQ.

ATC ever confuse you with a C-337?

Hehehe, nope. I wrote "skymaster" because Sky37d flys a 337. We fly on our company callsign, but skymaster wouldn't quite be accurate. the skymaster was the C-54, which is a DC-4. The military DC-6 (C-118) was the "Liftmaster". Generally if we're not using the company callsign, we just use Douglas 123xx. Of course, then they confuse us with the DC-3's operating here. I'm not sure using "liftmaster" would decrease the level of confusion, though.

 

[USMCAirWinger]

Just for fun

 

[Kream926]

wow 2 different sections on the same topic..both active


lock this thread and shut up...as a matter of fact from now on all im gonna say is with you and checkin' on

 

[lowtimedriver]

A few of you guys in here really gotta go rent some hookers are somthing....losen up and don't be gay.

Hookers are cool. You pay them, get what you want, and they go home. It doens't get much better than that. Alot cheaper in the long run too..