"With you"

[g4800xp]

And like I said , I am only human, above I used the word "to" and then said not to use the word to. should have said flight level 390 decending flight level 290, but .....

 

[kevdog]

since around 50% of all pilots, including legacy/major/cargo/etc., say "with you" please spend your wasted time correcting grammar on FI instead. Thank you in advance.

Everyone should have the experience of flying International. Usually the controller speaks 150 words of English with a heavy accent. If you say "twelve hundred climbing to fifty-five hundred" or "one twenty point eight" they are unlikely to understand you and will ask you to say again.

I like to try to have the controller understand me. When I am flying around the states I speak differently on the radio than in Africa or South America. Honestly it is nice to say "with you" and know the controller understands you.

 

[Bandit60]

I'm "with you " KevDog
Opps I mean I agree KevDog..I just want to make sure you understand me.

 

[FN FAL]

I think you guys have said, "with you" more in this thread, than in the entire history of radio controlled pilots.

 

[Hold West]

Sometimes you might hear; "Walla Walla center, Wombat 977 climbing to three five zero" even though they might be climbing through FL330. This is perfectly acceptable.

Not acceptable in my world. Sounds pretty dangerous. That's why I think, despite technicalities, a nice complete report is appropriate.

 

[Cardinal]

I have been on a one man campaign with my newhires to excoriate "with you" from their vocabularies. It's a funny thing, in the last two months of IOE candidates EVERY ONE started with this nasty habit.

 

[Ravendriver]

How about "with a flash" or "coming down?" :smash:

 

[unreal]

I have been on a one man campaign with my newhires to excoriate "with you" from their vocabularies. It's a funny thing, in the last two months of IOE candidates EVERY ONE started with this nasty habit.

If it's anything like when I flew with one certain instructor during my multiengine rating, they didn't say "with you" when flying with you, but still do it with other pilots.

For the record, that instructor I just mentioned kept trying to get me to say "Seminole November blah blah blah." I just did it to please him, but no way in hell did I start doing that redundant crap.

 

[kevdog]

I have been on a one man campaign with my newhires to excoriate "with you" from their vocabularies. It's a funny thing, in the last two months of IOE candidates EVERY ONE started with this nasty habit.

No offense but I would hope you have better things to teach during IOE than something as anal as this. Maybe in a few months, or whenever these folks are off probation you should ask them what they thought about it.

I personally would like to see people during IOE speak over the radio like a robot saying "with you."

 

[414Flyer]

Both of my FOs have said "With you". The first just stopped doing it on his own, probably just from hearing me never use it on mine.

The 2nd, well he seems to have "With you" engrained pretty deep.

 

[A Squared]

For the record, that instructor I just mentioned kept trying to get me to say "Seminole November blah blah blah." I just did it to please him, but no way in hell did I start doing that redundant crap.

Did you try showing him in the AIM the bit that tells you *not* to do this?

4-24 (3) Civil aircraft pilots should state the aircraft type, model or manufacturer's name, followed by the digits/letters of the registration number. When the aircraft manufacturer's name or model is stated, the prefix "N" is dropped; e.g., Aztec Two Four Six Four Alpha.

It's redundent, takes more time, and the AIM tells you not to do it. What reason did he give for insisting you do it?

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Plus it informs the controller what aircraft type you are and general speed capabilites. "N" just tells him its a U.S. registered aircraft.

 

[unreal]

Did you try showing him in the AIM the bit that tells you *not* to do this?



It's redundent, takes more time, and the AIM tells you not to do it. What reason did he give for insisting you do it?

His reasoning was that you were saying the "full" callsign. Leaving off "November," even when saying "Seminole" at the front, was wrong. Of course at the time, I didn't even know that was in the AIM (I had about 80 hours). Hopefully he's been corrected since.

 

[FN FAL]

Every time you say, "turning left final!" on CTAF, God kills a Kitten.

Please, think of the kittens.

 

[Cardinal]

No offense but I would hope you have better things to teach during IOE than something as anal as this. Maybe in a few months, or whenever these folks are off probation you should ask them what they thought about it.

I personally would like to see people during IOE speak over the radio like a robot saying "with you."

What is the purpose of IOE other than to a) show them how things work on the line and b)eliminate habits that will drive their captains insane. If by the last day of IOE the guy has ceased annoying me, I've succeded.

 

[kevdog]

What is the purpose of IOE other than to a) show them how things work on the line and b)eliminate habits that will drive their captains insane. If by the last day of IOE the guy has ceased annoying me, I've succeded.

Do you tell your FO how annoying and unprofessional it is whenever a legacy carrier comes on and says "with you?" I hear it everytime I go flying.

Maybe you should tell everyone over the radio not to say "with you" after they say it.

 

[Cardinal]

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner! "That guy" who seem to be With Everybody on the freq is kevdog! Next time you hear him, be sure to say hi to a fellow flightinfoer.

On accepting a handoff, shouldn't you say "132.7, FDX727 goodday, no longer with you" just for symmetry's sake?

 

[kevdog]

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner! "That guy" who seem to be With Everybody on the freq is kevdog! Next time you hear him, be sure to say hi to a fellow flightinfoer.

On accepting a handoff, shouldn't you say "132.7, FDX727 goodday, no longer with you" just for symmetry's sake?

LOL, honestly I don't think I ever say "with you" but it's never to late to start. I like the "no longer with you" idea. I'll try it out soon.

 

[FN FAL]

On accepting a handoff, shouldn't you say "132.7, FDX727 goodday, no longer with you" just for symmetry's sake?

And there you go...nice round of applause for the Cardinal!

 

[32LT10]

After 20+ years of listening on the radio I think my patience with the word wasters has hit the wall. I don't care if it a cessna 150 or a b747-400, if you talk like moron then everyone knows you are a moron. I hear it with the "sugar" for sierra call signs, that seems to be a "Super King Air" pilots way of being cute, I hear the NWA guy calling center during an extremely busy time and using the "How you doing today, we are on a 270 heading, looking for higher and normal speed and what are the rides like at FL370?" All this being transmitted simultaneously with others.

"with you" is annoying but also the guy that mumbles and or does not answer completley. I remember a NY center controller reaming a commuter guy on the radio years ago about responding with a full call sign. The guy was just replying, "down to 15thousand" and that was it. The controller gave him a ration for not giving the call sign as he should.

About 15 years ago I think it was NASA AMES that did a study about CPDLC and whether or not pilots wanted the hear the party line of information on VHF or would we prefer datalink instructions. I was a major proponent of the party line so I could hear about ride reports and location of other aircraft. Now I am not so sure. Give me CPDLC and can the rest. The only peaceful moments in the air the days is when you are over water and doing downlink reports via the FMC or ACARS. No chatter, except for the DL guys on 121.5 giving position report , Serenity at last.