"With you"

[Amish RakeFight]

actually, you only have to check in with your altitude once per artcc. once they verify it on the initial check in, they don't need it anyomore.

something from our resident controller...
(Thanks for the reference HW)

Checking in with altitude - yes, do it please, either level or altitude leaving and assigned:

2. The following phraseology should be utilized by pilots for establishing contact with the designated facility:
(a) When operating in a radar environment: On initial contact, the pilot should inform the controller of the aircraft's assigned altitude preceded by the words "level," or "climbing to," or "descending to," as appropriate; and the aircraft's present vacating altitude, if applicable.
EXAMPLE-
1. (Name) CENTER, (aircraft identification), LEVEL (altitude or flight level).
2. (Name) CENTER, (aircraft identification), LEAVING (exact altitude or flight level), CLIMBING TO OR DESCENDING TO (altitude of flight level).​

It acts as a verbal reminder and is really good for my own SA, probably everyone else's, too. I looked for the part about verifying Mode C on initial contact with departure in the AIM, but couldn't spot it, here's my book:​

5-2-17. VALIDATION OF MODE C READOUT​

Ensure that Mode C altitude readouts are valid after accepting an interfacility handoff, initial track start, track start from coast/suspend tabular list, missing, or unreasonable Mode C readouts.

and

a. Consider an altitude readout valid when:​

1. It varies less than 300 feet from the pilot reported altitude...​

 

[C-150ETOPS]

Stumbling onto this thread is like walking into a filthy men's restroom at an isolated highway rest stop, and finding 5 guys in trench coats facing each other in a small circle. uke:


you may proceed, bye

 

[Photoflight]

A few of you guys in here really gotta go rent some hookers are somthing....losen up and don't be gay.

 

[unreal]

Here's a tip -- no need to ever tell a controller that you are "with him" as he knows that by the fact you are talking to him. It sounds so student pilotish to hear it.

I've always had the belief that the confidence (or lack thereof) you show on the radio is what gives a radio call an experienced/inexperienced quality. Saying something non-standard like "with you" in a confident manner is much different than stammering out "with you" trying to sound like a pro. The latter is the one that sounds "student pilotish" in my opinion, regardless of what was said.

Just to add: I'm known to say "good morning" or "good evening" on the radio during initial call when it's not horribly busy. Sure it's not in the AIM, but just like "with you," it's not a big deal. Not reading back hold short clearances, now that's a big deal.

 

[Hold West]

Stumbling onto this thread is like walking into a filthy men's restroom at an isolated highway rest stop, and finding 5 guys in trench coats facing each other in a small circle.

Easy there, big fella - your fantasies are taking control of you. Go take your valium now, there's a good boy.

 

[macfly]

its crap like this that gives moderate credence that all pilots are anal duche bags.

have a drink and get laid.

I - i need a drink
M- me
S- ex would be nice
A- asshat
F- freak
E- Enit no thang to get my pressure up over.

 

[frog_flyer]

i dont mind any of the sayings and what not.

what pisses me off is jack offs on uncontrolled airport freqs talking about whats for dinner. reminds me of that vince carter commercial when the news is trying to interview him

 

[WabiSabi]

something from our resident controller...
(Thanks for the reference HW)

Yes, things work better when you check in with your altitude with each frequency change. However, technically, checking in with your altitude is not necessary within the same ARTCC after the initial call. Sometimes you might hear; "Walla Walla center, Wombat 977 climbing to three five zero" even though they might be climbing through FL330. This is perfectly acceptable.

 

[idoitupsidedown]

"Indy Center, FreightDawg 123, same ole' ****, different night" [continues working sudoku]

"FreightDawg123, Indy Center...yup" [continues reading book]

 

[g4800xp]

Adding decimil or point is useful on some oceanic flights, some controllers may work both hf and vhf, so N12345 on 13200 is different then 132.00, along those lines some guys call OAK center/SFO radio in nopac and just say N12345 on 89- but there are 2 89s there, 8915 and 8951,this happens all over in hf areas, some guys give their life story and others stop short of what is usefull, it still works but why not fire it off as the pilot-controller glossary states when able. My boss pays me to be a professional, I do my best, but I am only human.
The one that gets me is in read backs,,,, N12345 out of
3904290, the number 4 has no place here, bad bad bad, how about N12345 flightlevel 390-decending- to level-290. Remember any number 360 or below has two uses, heading and or altitude.
Last is 2 , it can be a number, or where you are going or intending to go. Direct or cleared work well.
Now while I am at it, everyone is trying to sort out how to reduce runway incursions and taxi mistakes. I think controllers forget that their "life" is revolving around a piece of realestate that they know better that anybody on the planet, every inch, but they sometimes forget we may frequent dozens and dozens of airports, so , N12345 taxi to spot 23bravo via Delta-Echo cross 24right and hold short of 24left at foxtrot contact ground on 123.45, while it makes perfect sense to them, not always to us, besides if I just landed I may still have my eyes closed and and may still be holding my f/os hand and working my rosary beads, so I am not ready for such a clerance.

 

[g4800xp]

And like I said , I am only human, above I used the word "to" and then said not to use the word to. should have said flight level 390 decending flight level 290, but .....

 

[kevdog]

since around 50% of all pilots, including legacy/major/cargo/etc., say "with you" please spend your wasted time correcting grammar on FI instead. Thank you in advance.

Everyone should have the experience of flying International. Usually the controller speaks 150 words of English with a heavy accent. If you say "twelve hundred climbing to fifty-five hundred" or "one twenty point eight" they are unlikely to understand you and will ask you to say again.

I like to try to have the controller understand me. When I am flying around the states I speak differently on the radio than in Africa or South America. Honestly it is nice to say "with you" and know the controller understands you.

 

[Bandit60]

I'm "with you " KevDog
Opps I mean I agree KevDog..I just want to make sure you understand me.

 

[FN FAL]

I think you guys have said, "with you" more in this thread, than in the entire history of radio controlled pilots.

 

[Hold West]

Sometimes you might hear; "Walla Walla center, Wombat 977 climbing to three five zero" even though they might be climbing through FL330. This is perfectly acceptable.

Not acceptable in my world. Sounds pretty dangerous. That's why I think, despite technicalities, a nice complete report is appropriate.

 

[Cardinal]

I have been on a one man campaign with my newhires to excoriate "with you" from their vocabularies. It's a funny thing, in the last two months of IOE candidates EVERY ONE started with this nasty habit.

 

[Ravendriver]

How about "with a flash" or "coming down?" :smash:

 

[unreal]

I have been on a one man campaign with my newhires to excoriate "with you" from their vocabularies. It's a funny thing, in the last two months of IOE candidates EVERY ONE started with this nasty habit.

If it's anything like when I flew with one certain instructor during my multiengine rating, they didn't say "with you" when flying with you, but still do it with other pilots.

For the record, that instructor I just mentioned kept trying to get me to say "Seminole November blah blah blah." I just did it to please him, but no way in hell did I start doing that redundant crap.

 

[kevdog]

I have been on a one man campaign with my newhires to excoriate "with you" from their vocabularies. It's a funny thing, in the last two months of IOE candidates EVERY ONE started with this nasty habit.

No offense but I would hope you have better things to teach during IOE than something as anal as this. Maybe in a few months, or whenever these folks are off probation you should ask them what they thought about it.

I personally would like to see people during IOE speak over the radio like a robot saying "with you."

 

[414Flyer]

Both of my FOs have said "With you". The first just stopped doing it on his own, probably just from hearing me never use it on mine.

The 2nd, well he seems to have "With you" engrained pretty deep.

 

[A Squared]

For the record, that instructor I just mentioned kept trying to get me to say "Seminole November blah blah blah." I just did it to please him, but no way in hell did I start doing that redundant crap.

Did you try showing him in the AIM the bit that tells you *not* to do this?

4-24 (3) Civil aircraft pilots should state the aircraft type, model or manufacturer's name, followed by the digits/letters of the registration number. When the aircraft manufacturer's name or model is stated, the prefix "N" is dropped; e.g., Aztec Two Four Six Four Alpha.

It's redundent, takes more time, and the AIM tells you not to do it. What reason did he give for insisting you do it?

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Plus it informs the controller what aircraft type you are and general speed capabilites. "N" just tells him its a U.S. registered aircraft.

 

[unreal]

Did you try showing him in the AIM the bit that tells you *not* to do this?



It's redundent, takes more time, and the AIM tells you not to do it. What reason did he give for insisting you do it?

His reasoning was that you were saying the "full" callsign. Leaving off "November," even when saying "Seminole" at the front, was wrong. Of course at the time, I didn't even know that was in the AIM (I had about 80 hours). Hopefully he's been corrected since.

 

[FN FAL]

Every time you say, "turning left final!" on CTAF, God kills a Kitten.

Please, think of the kittens.

 

[Cardinal]

No offense but I would hope you have better things to teach during IOE than something as anal as this. Maybe in a few months, or whenever these folks are off probation you should ask them what they thought about it.

I personally would like to see people during IOE speak over the radio like a robot saying "with you."

What is the purpose of IOE other than to a) show them how things work on the line and b)eliminate habits that will drive their captains insane. If by the last day of IOE the guy has ceased annoying me, I've succeded.

 

[kevdog]

What is the purpose of IOE other than to a) show them how things work on the line and b)eliminate habits that will drive their captains insane. If by the last day of IOE the guy has ceased annoying me, I've succeded.

Do you tell your FO how annoying and unprofessional it is whenever a legacy carrier comes on and says "with you?" I hear it everytime I go flying.

Maybe you should tell everyone over the radio not to say "with you" after they say it.

 

[Cardinal]

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner! "That guy" who seem to be With Everybody on the freq is kevdog! Next time you hear him, be sure to say hi to a fellow flightinfoer.

On accepting a handoff, shouldn't you say "132.7, FDX727 goodday, no longer with you" just for symmetry's sake?

 

[kevdog]

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner! "That guy" who seem to be With Everybody on the freq is kevdog! Next time you hear him, be sure to say hi to a fellow flightinfoer.

On accepting a handoff, shouldn't you say "132.7, FDX727 goodday, no longer with you" just for symmetry's sake?

LOL, honestly I don't think I ever say "with you" but it's never to late to start. I like the "no longer with you" idea. I'll try it out soon.

 

[FN FAL]

On accepting a handoff, shouldn't you say "132.7, FDX727 goodday, no longer with you" just for symmetry's sake?

And there you go...nice round of applause for the Cardinal!

 

[32LT10]

After 20+ years of listening on the radio I think my patience with the word wasters has hit the wall. I don't care if it a cessna 150 or a b747-400, if you talk like moron then everyone knows you are a moron. I hear it with the "sugar" for sierra call signs, that seems to be a "Super King Air" pilots way of being cute, I hear the NWA guy calling center during an extremely busy time and using the "How you doing today, we are on a 270 heading, looking for higher and normal speed and what are the rides like at FL370?" All this being transmitted simultaneously with others.

"with you" is annoying but also the guy that mumbles and or does not answer completley. I remember a NY center controller reaming a commuter guy on the radio years ago about responding with a full call sign. The guy was just replying, "down to 15thousand" and that was it. The controller gave him a ration for not giving the call sign as he should.

About 15 years ago I think it was NASA AMES that did a study about CPDLC and whether or not pilots wanted the hear the party line of information on VHF or would we prefer datalink instructions. I was a major proponent of the party line so I could hear about ride reports and location of other aircraft. Now I am not so sure. Give me CPDLC and can the rest. The only peaceful moments in the air the days is when you are over water and doing downlink reports via the FMC or ACARS. No chatter, except for the DL guys on 121.5 giving position report , Serenity at last.