"With you" "With you" "With you"

[PAPA FOX!]

Heard those 2 words 9, yes 9 times in an hour while listening to NY app
this afternoon online. This REALLY gets annoying and does nothing but clog up the freq during the busiest time of day in some of the busiest airspace in the US!! Come ON!! Everyone, knock it off PLEASE!! Of course ATC knows your "with them." Why does everyone tell them your "with them" when in actuality you could be 30 miles away!!! For the grace of God, let it stop NOW!!!

 

[b82rez]

Loser

 

[UA-RESURRECTED]

Loser

I'm with you.

 

[paulsalem]

I don't say with you, however this isn't the main problem.

How about "uh, approach, can we get direct" instead of request direct XYZ.

And conversly, "down to 3,000" instead of "leaving 8,000 decending 3,000"

This is from Don Brown's column "SAY AGAIN" on avweb
http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182638-1.html
His columns are full of intesting info on this and may other atc subjects.

While I have you held captive in the holding pattern, let me give you another sermon on the rules. You know that silly rule that says you're supposed to state your altitude leaving when you're assigned a new altitude? You knew it was in there for a reason, didn't you?

AIM 5-3-3. Additional Reports
​

a. The following reports should be made to ATC or FSS facilities without a specific ATC request:

1. At all times.

(a) When vacating any previously assigned altitude or flight
level for a newly assigned altitude or flight level.
​

Now we plug in the controller side of the equation from the FAA 7110.65

5-5-5. VERTICAL APPLICATION
​

b. Assign an altitude to an aircraft after the aircraft previously at that altitude has been issued a climb/descent clearance and is observed (valid Mode C), or reports leaving the altitude.
​

There you are in a holding pattern at 12,000 with a dozen other airplanes stacked above you and Approach starts running them again.

ZTL: "Airliner 123 cleared over the SHINE intersection to CLT via the SHINE5 arrival descend and maintain one one thousand.
AIR123: Airliner 123 cleared to CLT down to one one thousand.
ZTL: (sigh). Airliner 123 say altitude leaving.
AIR123: Uh, we're out of twelve.
ZTL: Airliner 234 descend and maintain one two thousand.
AIR234: We're descending to one two thousand Airliner234
ZTL: (big sigh) Airliner 234 say altitude leaving.
AIR234: Airliner 234 is leaving one three thousand for one two thousand.
ZTL: Roger, Airliner345 descend and maintain one three thousand.
​

Have you ever seen a radar scope with a full holding pattern? All those targets dragging those big data blocks over the same spot? Ever tried to observe someone's Mode C when it's like that? We're lucky if we can find your data block, much less observe your Mode C. Getting the picture?

 

[FracCapt]

Wow....I'm glad all you high time wonder pilots have the time to critique those of us that do it for a living, do it safely, and nobody in the real world seems to give a rats a$$ about these things. I bet you're just a joy to fly with....

 

[The_Russian]

I say "with you" all the time. Or, "can we get direct anything?"

 

[The_Russian]

500 posts!

 

[The_Russian]

Or 501?

 

[The_Russian]

Darn now 502. Well, too bad this "With You" thread #410 has been ruined. Guess we will have to talk about something worth while.

 

[mar]

Chatty

Or 501?

Boy you really do like to tie up the airwaves dontcha?

Paulsalem, thanks for describing ATCs point of view from the "stack of pancakes". Personally I've never thought about it like that.

Over and out.

 

[LarryinTN]

The problem with reporting leaving your altitude is that I'm typically reading back the clearance before the other pilot has started the climb or descent. Can't report leaving if we haven't started up/down yet.

 

[Big Duke Six]

The problem with reporting leaving your altitude is that I'm typically reading back the clearance before the other pilot has started the climb or descent. Can't report leaving if we haven't started up/down yet.

C'mon, that's your reason? By the time you finish reading back the clearance, the other pilot should be finished making the change and the airplane should be a nano second away from actually moving in that direction. How long does it take people?

 

[say again]

Why does this bother you people so much??? Unless I hear my call sign or tail #, I'm not paying attention to what is being said!!!:smash: I'm too busy enjoying my ipod or talking with the FO!!

 

[minitour]

"aaaaaaaaaaaaand checking in to stand by aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand ident with you"

That cover it?

-mini

 

[erj-145mech]

Everyone, knock it off PLEASE!! NOW!!!

How many pilots were in NY Centers airspace at that time? How many of those read these boards? Whats the chance of you getting a life?

For all the whiners that are the radio cops, you're just as annoying as the alleged infractors.

 

[100LL... Again!]

How about the corporate dorks that don't use the phonetic alphabet? I want to slap them silly.

 

[AngelKing]

Heard those 2 words 9, yes 9 times in an hour while listening to NY app
this afternoon online. This REALLY gets annoying and does nothing but clog up the freq during the busiest time of day in some of the busiest airspace in the US!! Come ON!! Everyone, knock it off PLEASE!! Of course ATC knows your "with them." Why does everyone tell them your "with them" when in actuality you could be 30 miles away!!! For the grace of God, let it stop NOW!!!

Relax, take a valium, find something worthwhile to raise your blood pressure over. If something this small gets you so riled up, god forbid something major happen.

AK

 

[FN FAL]

Heard those 2 words 9, yes 9 times in an hour while listening to NY app
this afternoon online. This REALLY gets annoying and does nothing but clog up the freq during the busiest time of day in some of the busiest airspace in the US!! Come ON!! Everyone, knock it off PLEASE!! Of course ATC knows your "with them." Why does everyone tell them your "with them" when in actuality you could be 30 miles away!!! For the grace of God, let it stop NOW!!!

Yea it is annoying...I made sure to stop using that useless veribiage a long time ago.

It's almost as stupid as the ass captains and ass hats that use the statment, "with a request".

I propose that every time some ass monkey uses the phrase, "with you" on the radio, that you immediately break in with a "god bless you!" or "GEEEEEEEEZUNDIECHT ASSHOLIO!"

Really?

No, not really...don't do anything like that. But it's fun to think about doing it.

 

[FN FAL]

How about this one?

You're cleared for take off with something like this,with not much room to spare behind a departing aircraft.

Tower: "Bonkers 1234, fly heading 340, cleared for immediate take off. Traffic in front of you is on runway heading, you'll be turing inside of him."

You: "...(readback and comply)..."

Tower: "Bonkers 1234, call departure, 123.5!"

You: "...(read back and change frequencies)

You: "Depature, Bonkers 1234, 1,500 for 5,000, heading 340, IN HIM!"

 

[Bandit60]

How about the corporate dorks that don't use the phonetic alphabet? I want to slap them silly.

Nice. And I'm sure you say "tree" instead of three!!!

I am acually one of those "dorks" that says tree instead of three but I dont have a problem with all those airline guys that dont say tree.

 

[minitour]

Nice. And I'm sure you say "tree" instead of three!!!

I am acually one of those "dorks" that says tree instead of three but I dont have a problem with all those airline guys that dont say tree.

I think its more an issue with the guys that call N123AD as "one twentythree apple dumplin'" or "six fifty suggar daddy" "Two ten goin fishin"

Say it with me... "Alpha - Delta" or "Sierra - Delta" or "Golf - Foxtrot"

In all seriousness...I don't get driven crazy over this stuff...but it does make me chuckle inside.

I do have to say, I heard "Information Bratwurst" one time listening online....cracked me up.

I just hate having the radio tied up ... there could be someone on freq trying to get in with something important....no need to ask for the score to the game......that's what dispatch is for

-mini

 

[FN FAL]

I think its more an issue with the guys that call N123AD as "one twentythree apple dumplin'" or "six fifty suggar daddy" "Two ten goin fishin"

Say it with me... "Alpha - Delta" or "Sierra - Delta" or "Golf - Foxtrot"

In all seriousness...I don't get driven crazy over this stuff...but it does make me chuckle inside.

I do have to say, I heard "Information Bratwurst" one time listening online....cracked me up.

I just hate having the radio tied up ... there could be someone on freq trying to get in with something important....no need to ask for the score to the game......that's what dispatch is for

-mini

Can you say "titty twister" on the radio? I bet the guys that get tired of saying, "Tango Tango" would like something different to say once in while.

 

[minitour]

Can you say "titty twister" on the radio? I bet the guys that get tired of saying, "Tango Tango" would like something different to say once in while.

LMFAO! Sweet!

Is that like the ____ that used to fly out of OUN using _ _ _ PT that called in as XXX Pretty Titty?

-mini

 

[LarryinTN]

How long does it take people?

It wouldn't be uncommon for 15 or 20 seconds to pass after I'd read back the clearance until we actually left the altitude.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

"with you" is no big deal to me, considering that the majority of pilots I hear check in on a Center Frequency by saying it.
It's the way it is...why not go with it.

I personally hate it when the occassional pilot will say "Kaybeck" instead of Quebec.
Another thing I hate hearing is when you're flying to Nashville and every now and then, center says you're cleared to "Geetar" intersection instead of saying you're cleared to "guitar" intersection.

Not to offend the nerdy detailed orientated type people who are sticklers and will say "KAYBECK is the correct phonetic pronounciation of Quebeck" bla bla bla...whatever, it just sounds gay.

 

[Big Duke Six]

It wouldn't be uncommon for 15 or 20 seconds to pass after I'd read back the clearance until we actually left the altitude.

I guess it's all technique, but if I'm the PF and we get a turn or altitude change, I've usually initiated the changes by the time the PNF is done talking. As soon as he stops talking, I confirm the changes with him and we're already on our way. It's different for different phases of flight though too, so it's not always that quick. But on an arrival or in the terminal area, I would say 20 seconds is a bit long.

My.02

 

[A Squared]

The one thing that is a constant with this subject is this:

Whenever it is broached, you have a couple of guys say, awwww, that correct phraseology stuff doesn't matter, don't be so uncool, be like the cool kids and say whatever you want.


But, the "Cool kids" really *don't* know whether it matters, because they're not the ones on the other end of the mic who have to deal with it. The ones who have to deal with it are the controllers, and every time I've read something written by a controller on the subject, they say *yes* it *does* matter, use proper phraseology. No, don't* say "with you", Yes it *does* matter if you report leaving your altitude. (in the correct manner), no, do not say XXXXXX with a request...etc, etc. Don Brown's ATC columns on Avweb are a good example of the controller's perspective, although there are other articles floating around by controllers. Don does an excellent job of explaining exactly why it matters (the example above of a stack of planes in the hold is a sample from Don's columns) and often the reasons why it really does matter are reasons which are not apparent to the pilot.

So, who are you going to listen to? The "cool kids" who are telling you to spit out any crap you feel like? Or the controllers, the ones who you are trying to interact with professionally, the ones for whom it does create problems when you spit out any old crap you feel like?

 

[GVFlyer]

Full implimentation of CPDLC will end your misery...


GV

 

[mar]

The blessed sound of silence

Full implimentation of CPDLC will end your misery...


GV

One can only dream.

 

[CutEmUp]

Next time you call up ground initially, and you got information Yankee, tell them "...ready to taxi with yankme." Be subtle about it and see if they catch it.

Also works with "...left turn on taxiway yankme."