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Not a chance.Dizel8 said:My opinion is yes. I think the Mechanics union will reach a last minute agreement, that is "sorry that some of you lose your job", but it is "the best we could achieve under the circumstances".
What say you all?
Dizel8 said:My opinion is yes. I think the Mechanics union will reach a last minute agreement, that is "sorry that some of you lose your job", but it is "the best we could achieve under the circumstances".
What say you all?
Workin'Stiff said:I was told by my step-mother, who is a NW flight attendant, that she recieved a phone call from the FA manager. She was informed that if she did not show up for work during the mech's work stoppage, this would be viewed as a sympathy strike and she would be fired. This phone call, and I now hear a letter, was going out to all FA's...
skykid said:Maybe we can get a repeat of the situation that happened at another airline in the 80s. 500 and something pilots were trained as replacements. When the big day came almost to a man they didn't go thru with it - Checkmate.
I have heard NWA mgt has FA replacements in the wings as well. If there is a strike and Northwest goes on anywhere close to business as usual, we have seen the knockout blow to airline unions. Should be interesting.
I have lots of Northwest pilot buddies and I wish them the best.
skykid said:Maybe we can get a repeat of the situation that happened at another airline in the 80s. 500 and something pilots were trained as replacements. When the big day came almost to a man they didn't go thru with it - Checkmate.
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Yes, that group was UNITED!!!! 570!!!!
skykid said:Roger. You have to wonder if the FAs do decide as a group to walk, how many will still go to work. No question this has the potential to absolutely cripple the airline. I know from experience when there is a disruption in service, most consumers don't care who is wrong or right, they are POed regardless.
Dizel8 said:My opinion is yes. I think the Mechanics union will reach a last minute agreement, that is "sorry that some of you lose your job", but it is "the best we could achieve under the circumstances".
What say you all?
WillowRunVortex said:Inform your step-mother of this:
"First and foremost, our Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) contains no provision which expressly prohibits Flight Attendants from supporting our fellow employees by engaging in a work stoppage, with the exception of Letter of Agreement 2 which requires the continuation of military flights in the event of a labor dispute. PFAA and its legal counsel firmly believe that, contrary to company statements to the media and in employee communications, the Flight Attendants do have a legal right, both under our contract and Federal law, to honor another Unions picket line."
Workin'Stiff said:Well, all I have to say is that with management's track record, they will hold to their word and send those FA's packin' that don't show up for work. They obviously don't care about CBA's as evident by this week's Champion flying. They'll fire some FA's over this deal and worry about it later in the grievence process. So, its really gonna put the FA's in a bad spot if they are told from PFAA to not to go work, and then they are informed by NW that they are no longer employed.
schafjet said:WorkinStiff,
The union won't give and inch? What about the management team?
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This is ridiculous, it was just reported in the MSP paper that the top 4 executives just got a bonus of about $1.something million in stock options. Granted, the stock isn't worth much but it could be if things work out.
Also, there are other variables at work here too. Teamsters just announced that they will honor the picket line. So UPS and other teamsters will not be throwing any Cargo business or other business to NWA. That will hurt them.
Lastly, NWA pissed off the only union they had on their side. The pilots union was encouraging all unions to do their share of cuts. So what does NWA do to thank them for their support? They go and use Champion Air to fly NWA passengers on NWA routes, a clear violation of ALPA's NWA's contract (I believe that is in regards to scope). So now the pilots are thinking a little more about sympathy and not crossing the picket line.
Steeland is getting some bad advice from somewhere, but that's typical. I have lived here in MSP for almost all my life and NWA has never, ever had a good working relationship with its employees.
Oh, by the way. I don't work for NWA. So I don't have an ax to grind. I just think it is terrible how they treat their employees and the traveling public for that matter.
To answer the first question. I don't think there will be a settlement. There is just too much bad blood on both sides of the table.
WillowRunVortex said:The PFAA membership is solid,,,management cannot send them all "packing". They have 1200 replacements trained. It takes 10,000 to run the airline. Your tone is typical NWA ALPA. Look where their "cooperation" with management got them.
Workin'Stiff said:Management won't budge from the $176m in savings from AMFA and I just read in the WSJ yesterday that the president of AMFA is standing firmly on the thought that NW mech's should be getting paid $100k. Now, there is just too much of a span there for even the most optimistic person to believe that middle-ground can be found.