Why Was Comair Not Sold?

[N813CA]

Talked to compass and Mesaba pilots today and their flow through are gone in 60 days so flow through had nothing to do with it... Just like Midatlantic with USairways.

 

[Bugsmasher Plus]

Talked to compass and Mesaba pilots today and their flow through are gone in 60 days so flow through had nothing to do with it... Just like Midatlantic with USairways.

Not true... the agreement is to hash out something over the next 60. The flow through is not settled yet.

 

[cmrflyer]

Many of the things the Comair pilots did post strike is what earned them the wrath of just about everyone who is now grave dancing, but I believe they have been rogered quite enough.

Do tell, what was that?

 

[N813CA]

flow through is gone in 60 days. Just like Midatlantic when sold to Republic from USAirways

 

[buscap]

Do tell, what was that?

Well, let's see...

RJDC.

Way too much non-staple mainline merger talk.

Refusing to hire mainline furloughs.

First in DCI to take concessions for planes.

I didn't say I was peeved at them, but others still are.

 

[Snaab]

Bugsmasher- that is the COOLEST avatar. Long live the Saab!

The bottom line is that the mainline carriers want LOW COSTS, even if that means someday possibly dumping a known quantity such as Comair who, incidentally, has set numerous high standards in the regional industry (I completely applaud them for that). But, there is no sentiment in business. If airline XYZ can fly CRJ-200s, -700s, and -900s for less than the next guy, they're positioned to gain more flying. It's that simple. Mainline doesn't give a jee whiz about what they're wages are, about how high turnover is, etc. Fly bigger and bigger planes with our paint and logo on it, do it forever more cheaply, and don't screw up. Nevermind that we'll never REALLY have a vested interest in you or your people. Good luck and good day. Did we mention that we can find someone else who'll do it for less in five seconds?

That's how upside down this is right now. I wish there was a simple fix to 'righting' this problem. Sucks Comair is in the position they're in after striking for so much good years ago.

Good luck to everyone!


-Snaab

 

[rumrunner300]

. . . Either you are not making sense or you just described the regional industry perfectly.

Taaaa Daaaaa!!

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There is an upheaval on the way, and EVERYONE is vulnerable. So dance if you will, but remember that the grave on which you currently dance may soon be your own.

 

[N813CA]

So you think the % of the profit that Delta gets from the contract carriers. What is it like %20 is more than what the wholly owned is making?

 

[WayBack]

Comair was not sold because Delta is going to release an announcement about merging Comair with mainline.

 

[B727FA]

Yep, JC.. the strike was worth it..

That wasn't JC who caused the last 9 years...that was the sale and the systematic destruction of CVG and OH and 3rd rate mgt.

 

[Hovernut]

Comair was not sold because Delta is going to release an announcement about merging Comair with mainline.

Is this sarcasm or something heard on the grapevine? Not too far flung from the reports I've heard from the recent DAL/DCI ALPA MEC get-togethers, though I thought Compass & Mesaba would've been in the 'grand staple,' too.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Is this sarcasm or something heard on the grapevine? Not too far flung from the reports I've heard from the recent DAL/DCI ALPA MEC get-togethers, though I thought Compass & Mesaba would've been in the 'grand staple,' too.

Pipe dream

 

[WayBack]

Pipe dream

speak for yourself. Just wait.

 

[clarkwgriswald]

Comair was not sold because Delta is going to release an announcement about merging Comair with mainline.

Good one! I needed a laugh.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

Comair has always been first.....
First to fly all jets...
First to demand livable regional wages.....
First to be too costly compared to cheaper upstarts.....

The main issue is their is no barrier to new entrants in the regional market. You obtain some jets or borrow them from a mainline carrier, hire some cheap pilots (the cheaper the better so if you can offer flow through or free hotel makes compensation lower) and compete against established carriers.
I suppose the same happens at mainline but the timeline is much more drawn out.
Best of luck Comair,
Luv

Yup, I knew it was a matter of time before a regional pilot blames another regional pilot for a demise that has not even been realized yet. Too funny. Really. Your airline was the first. The first of many that caused this industry to change for the worst so don't even start.

 

[regionaltard]

Comair has always been first.....
First to fly all jets...
First to demand livable regional wages.....
First to be too costly compared to cheaper upstarts.....

The main issue is their is no barrier to new entrants in the regional market......

This. It's much easier to mock Comair than it is to admit that we as an industry simply failed to man up and build on what they accomplished.

 

[Bugsmasher Plus]

That wasn't JC who caused the last 9 years...that was the sale and the systematic destruction of CVG and OH and 3rd rate mgt.

You were there with me I assume? I have a little different view of the MEC that forced the strike, and it's obviously not favorable. Of course, you are are talking the last nine years and I'm talking the three years prior to that where they could have had everything they wanted without the strike, but it is what it is and there is no sense of rehashing it now.

However, when somebody asks "Why was Comair not sold?" It's a direct result of what happened during he summer of 2001 and the continuing fallout ever since.

 

[N813CA]

according to Comair's president its because we are not marketable. We cost too much.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Comair was not sold because Delta is going to release an announcement about merging Comair with mainline.

Now dat is juan of duh funniest ones yet...... merger bouyyyyyyyyy.....

 

[Hootie9750]

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