Why is NetJets TA Unfair?

[rajflyboy]

TA won't pass unless Local 284 tampers with the vote!

 

[netjetwife]

Yes voters that have signed the petition? I have no doubt that some have done so. Is the number large enough to affect the usefulness of the petition count in gauging the outcome of the TA vote? That I do doubt--very seriously.

Hounding? Please be fair, Niteflyr. Being asked repeatedly, by different pilots each time, is evidence of union building and should not be characterized as "hounding". My husband and other pilots we know, are asking for signatures. They haven't resorted to arm-twisting; they wouldn't do that. Furthermore, it isn't necessary, anyway. Local 284 drove the pilots away by their own actions. That "yes voters" have also signed the petition is proof of that fact.

Caving/Conforming? They shouldn't do something they don't believe in. Instead of shooting the messenger, learn to say no. Here's one they can try......"I'll take a look at that later on my own, thanks anyway."

Fearful? Yes, I have had exchanges--phone and emails--with some so fearful that they have become irrational in their arguments. The selfish ones recognize the flaws (in the TA) but they just don't care. Both groups are hard to reason with; fortunately, they represent the fringe element.

Standing on the right side of history,
NJW/P2P team member

 

[rajflyboy]

Looks like Netjetwife is standing strong here!

 

[gunfyter]

Will be looking for another job....

 

[netjetwife]

And NO ONE has really answered the question?

What Happens if the TA passes? I know what the denizens of this board WANT to believe, but enough of that. BE HONEST, WHAT IF THE TA PASSES? What happens next guys and gals. Where do ya go and what do ya do?

I should think that many pilots have a plan B that they'd fall back on. Hoping for the best while preparing for the worst is prudent behavior. I also believe that there have been enough irregularities to warrant an investigation in the UNLIKELY event that the TA were to pass. For the sake of argument, I'll pretend that the TA count was honest and it still failed. Over time, NJA would not be able to attract and retain the level of experience they had previously when pilots were willing to take a chance on a growing company. Standards would be lowered. Recent accidents show us where that leads. I don't think that's a place anyone wants to go.

 

[niteflyr]

I was merely quoting how I have had it explained to me, "hounding" was not the term I came up with so don't jump all over me now NJW, believe it or not I am trying to be on the SU side. SU themselves just put out an announcement apoligizing for the way they have come across to certain people, many have been offended by some of the tactics their followers have used. This is not my first union or first vote, its always funny how they seem to pass but no one ever admits they voted for it. I say again...I hope I am wrong. Back to lurking I guess, didn't mean to get anyone worked up just by giving my observations....

 

[rajflyboy]

Having a plan B is an important thing right now. It will be interesting to see Santulli and Boisture's next move if the T/A gets voted down. Never know what they might try and do next!

 

[netjetwife]

No need to leave Niteflyr---

I'm sorry if my post was perceived as an attack; I didn't mean for it to be. I, too, was just trying to share my observations. There probably are some over-zealous pilots in the group. In a pilotforce numbering over 1800, that is going to happen. I truly believe, though, that the vast majority are trying to conduct themselves as professionally as possible--esp, given the current situation.

Again, I say that there is a disinformation campaign going on, and it appears to me that you have been a victim of it. There is no wide-spread "hounding" to get signatures. It simply isn't necessary and most pilots are smart enough to realize that such behavior would only hurt their cause.

I'm pleased to hear that you support SU. SU is a huge organization--a movement if you will--and not just a slate of 5 candidates. Hundreds have volunteered, including my husband (and me), to be a part of the unity building process. In spite of the difficulties we currently face, I see this as an exciting, hopeful time for the NJA pilots and their families.

 

[rajflyboy]

Netjetwife:


Your a pretty good writer. You should write for a Newspaper in the Springs!

 

[old*art]

And NO ONE has really answered the question?
What Happens if the TA passes? I know what the denizens ..........

It is reported that there is already an IBT investigation by the legal dept and I am sure some sort of lawsuit would follow. There is no way this TA could legally pass.

Getting back to the topic of this thread, there is nothing unfair about the proposed TA - it is just unacceptable vs what we have now.

 

[netjetwife]

Rfb, thanks for the compliment. Words come easily when you truly believe everything you say--and I do, very much so!

OA, those reports are my basis for the suggestion that the pilots will cry "foul" if the TA were to pass. That stack of digital copies (of the ballots) says it won't.

Back to our topic of fairness....do tell me, what isn't UNFAIR about demanding that a pilot be available by 2pm on his last DAY OFF. According to 91K, that requirement makes it then a work day. Even more blatant is the company plan to have the pilots do part of their Recurrent Training on their on computer, on their own time. Again, what isn't UNFAIR about working for FREE? BTW, that ASSUMES that everyone has A computer and/or internet access. Not all do. So many other workers, without highly specialized skills, are paid more than the FOs (and even some of the Cpts) and they are home every night with their families, not to mention, their jobs never make them responsible for the lives of others. This, you say, is NOT unfair??...merely unacceptable??? Oh yes, while we're on the subject of fairness, how about those FAs that are paid MORE than the PILOTS??

 

[Majik]

Gunfyter,

You need to take that crystal ball back to the psychic hotline clearance sale...it doesn't work.

Voted yes AND signed the petition.

Hey Hawkered,
How did that "yes vote" work out for you? Want to rent a crystal ball?

 

[El Chupacabra]

Gunfyter,

You got the number to that Hotline? I want to know who will win the MEC election.

 

[FAcFriend]

NJW
All of my friends husbands who work in corporate america have to go to school and do training to keep their certs up on their own time. The cos may or maynot pay for it but it has to be done on your own time.

Drs have to keep their boards up on their own time. What makes it different for pilots? (educate me, please).

I cant believe you havent even discussed the fact of the bonus that went along with this TA.

Havent you seen that joke that says - a successful husband is one who makes more than his wife can spend and a successful wife is one who can find one of them. ?

Thanks guys, I am not a pilot though I have enormous respect for you.
I have alot of pilots in my family, young ones and old ones. Be safe. Its not the same world it used to be. Gotta go to work..

Thanks

 

[gunfyter]

No psychic required.


All the NO TO REJECT votes on the TA will be votes for Strong Union slate. May even pick up to 100 Yes voters. Crystal ball says, Close to 90% victory for Strong Union.