Why is NetJets TA Unfair?

[gunfyter]

Les Paul
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For the love of Pete please put him on your ignore list!

 

[Les Paul]

Les Paul,
You may think we NJA folks are a bunch of losers, don't have a chance to improve our situation, are crazy for trying, and you criticize us for spending so much time on the computer talking about an issue that we are directly involved with. But what does that say about you? You are spending dang near as much time on the computer trying to counter everything NetJetsWife types. You ain't no fractional pilot and don't have a dog in this hunt, yet here you are, day after day, hour after hour, spending your time with a bunch of people whose ideas you so obviously disagree with. You don't even provide any substance to your side of this issue; just basic negativity. I gotta ask, what's your obsession with fractional pilots. Why is it so wrong for her but you see nothing strange about spending hours of your own free time countering every keystroke she types. What's up with that? Seems kinda trippy to me. What's going on in your life that makes this the best use of your free time?

First off, I don't recall ever saying "NJA folks are a bunch of losers". Unless you want to pay me $200 an hour for therapy, I suggest you seek professional help from someone as to why you interpret things people say as such, and why you feel that way about yourself.

Second, look at how many posts Netjetswife has made since s/he registered. I think facts speak louder than rhetoric.

Finally, Netjetswife has proudly proclaimed how s/he is making a difference, and yet to me there is nothing worse than a lazy, do nothing, no career wannabe, typing words on a internet chat forum 28 hours a day, telling us all how we should feel.

Here is a hypothetical for you all to consider:

The next TA that you get at Netjets is GREAT. You love it, but wait........ Netjetswife HATES it. Based on many of you all and your current cranial position in her posterior, you will HAVE to vote it down., because SHE doesn't approve.

But wait... heres another.......... You hate the TA, but Netjetswife LOVES it. Guess what... TA must pass... no questions asked. Netjetswife knows best whats right for you all...... right? Netjetswife DOES not work for Netjets. Her opinion should be between her and her family... a family that has been orphaned by her to the internet.

Again... Netjetswife should be loading the kids up in the yuppie mobile and getting OUT and making a difference, not PRETENDING to be manning the life rafts with the women and children.
How many women and children on flightinfo???

Les Paul

 

[Publishers]

1500

That's 1500 pic in my own aircraft, never bothered about the rest. I flew the blimp for 3 hours last year-- don't think that is in there. Was not trying to prove anything

All that experience and only 1500 hours TT?? With all of the shuttle missions you've flown I'm surprised to see such a low number.... unless you were flying the desk as a management monkey all those years and pretending to be someone who flies for a living. There is nothing like a Chief Pilot who get's out of the office every once in a while to reconnect with his roots... just one of the guys!! Yeah right.

And SMELI to boot??

 

[FLYLOW22]

FlyLow >> I maybe should help out! I'd rather spend my off time looking at other possible opportunities with life.

I'd rather be doing many other things in life than things I need to be doing. That's a choice. End of speach.

 

[Majik]

First off, I don't recall ever saying "NJA folks are a bunch of losers". Unless you want to pay me $200 an hour for therapy, I suggest you seek professional help from someone as to why you interpret things people say as such, and why you feel that way about yourself.

Second, look at how many posts Netjetswife has made since s/he registered. I think facts speak louder than rhetoric.

Finally, Netjetswife has proudly proclaimed how s/he is making a difference, and yet to me there is nothing worse than a lazy, do nothing, no career wannabe, typing words on a internet chat forum 28 hours a day, telling us all how we should feel.

Here is a hypothetical for you all to consider:

The next TA that you get at Netjets is GREAT. You love it, but wait........ Netjetswife HATES it. Based on many of you all and your current cranial position in her posterior, you will HAVE to vote it down., because SHE doesn't approve.

But wait... heres another.......... You hate the TA, but Netjetswife LOVES it. Guess what... TA must pass... no questions asked. Netjetswife knows best whats right for you all...... right? Netjetswife DOES not work for Netjets. Her opinion should be between her and her family... a family that has been orphaned by her to the internet.

Again... Netjetswife should be loading the kids up in the yuppie mobile and getting OUT and making a difference, not PRETENDING to be manning the life rafts with the women and children.
How many women and children on flightinfo???

Les Paul

LOL, if I ever need therapy from you, you'll be the first to know. Start holding your breath.

I see a ton of responses to NJW from you, so I guess your justification for all of your time spent responding to her is - "to me there is nothing worse than a lazy, do nothing, no career wannabe, typing words on a internet chat forum 28 hours a day, telling us all how we should feel." Well I hope all of that "therapy" you're prescribing for yourself is working out for you. I don't see it having any positive effects from my viewpoint, but good luck with that. Try bypassing the fractional forum or putting her on your "ignore" list if it's affecting you that much.

NJW's opinions are hers and she is free to type on this board as much as she pleases. In fact, she's directly connected to the contract and it's effect on her and her family. Like I said, you don't have a dog in this hunt so I'm still unable to understand your reasons for you wanting to become so involved in this discussion.

Do you really think NJA pilots are going to call NJW and ask how she wants us to vote on the next TA? Come on dude, get a grip. It's statements like that that show something else is going on behind the curtain of your life.

She's much more connected to this than you are. If you're bored and want to hang out in the fractional forum all day, then debate the merits of her opinions if you disagree with her but just because she "ain't barefoot and in the kitchen" doesn't preclude her from doing whatever she thinks might help her family's cause. Now go to your "happy place" and I hope you feel better real soon.

 

[rajflyboy]

Maybe Netjets Wife needs a boyfriend on the side so she will have something to do when her Man is gone!!


lol

Just Kidding!

 

[Majik]

Maybe Netjets Wife needs a boyfriend on the side so she will have something to do when her Man is gone!!


lol

Just Kidding!

Maybe you need a boyfriend on the side so you will have something to do on your days off!!

lol

Just Kidding!

 

[rajflyboy]

Majic already drank a case of beer today and it ain't even 7 PM yet

 

[Majik]

and your point is???

 

[rajflyboy]

not much

 

[kingtut]

Ok guys and gals, Question for you: What if the TA passes?

I mean, I don't know nothing except what I read here. What if it passes

 

[gunfyter]

I'll take that bet.

 

[Majik]

Sign me up for some of that action too!

Problem is, SBM has only 4 posts and will not be around long enough for us to collect.

 

[HappyOps]

Sign me up for some of that action too!

Problem is, SBM has only 4 posts and will not be around long enough for us to collect.

But no one answered the question, what happens if it does pass?

I do not profess to have any inside track on information, only what I read on the boards and hear in the FBO's. I am just curious.

Personally, I hope you guys and gals get both the pay and lifestyle amendments that you are seeking. It sound like you have been without a contract for sometime now and it is time for you to at least have some type of contract, or at least the promise of closure on one.

May your will be strong, and your cause be just.​

 

[Majik]

But no one answered the question, what happens if it does pass?

I do not profess to have any inside track on information, only what I read on the boards and hear in the FBO's. I am just curious.

Personally, I hope you guys and gals get both the pay and lifestyle amendments that you are seeking. It sound like you have been without a contract for sometime now and it is time for you to at least have some type of contract, or at least the promise of closure on one.

May your will be strong, and your cause be just.​

If there were a way to bet on the outcome, I would borrow every penny I could and would double my money by betting that it would fail. But, to answer your question, if it passes, then a majority of the pilots were happy and will probably remain so and the minority of pilots will either look for better jobs and leave, remain and complain, or remain and learn to live with it.
We are not without a contract. Our contract became ammendable Oct 2001.

 

[HappyOps]

That doesn't sound promising. However, I am glad I was wrong about you working without a contract.

So, when exactly do you vote? I thought it was schedule for the 18th. I guess the information I read from eariler posts was incorrect.

I figured you had already voted and had the results by now.

 

[netjetwife]

If it were to pass there'd be a fraud investigation. Approximately 1200--clear majority--petitions have been turned in to separate from Local 284. That is a far more drastic step than voting no on a first offer; therefore, we KNOW those pilots voted AGAINST the TA, certainly enough to carry the day. Even the company is now telling pilots that they look forward to a NEW TA in 2005.

 

[Les Paul]

I see a ton of responses to NJW from you, so I guess your justification for all of your time spent responding to her is - "to me there is nothing worse than a lazy, do nothing, no career wannabe, typing words on a internet chat forum 28 hours a day, telling us all how we should feel."

"Lazy, do nothing, career wannabe" ... those of course are my words very accurately describing Netjetswife. And they are quite fitting... thank you for quoting me, but I think everyone got it the first time.

NJW's opinions are hers and she is free to type on this board as much as she pleases. In fact, she's directly connected to the contract and it's effect on her and her family. Like I said, you don't have a dog in this hunt so I'm still unable to understand your reasons for you wanting to become so involved in this discussion.

I am merely execising my right to point out the irony of Netjetswife's self righteous, self gratifying statements on this forum, versus her inability to convince anyone that she is "hard at work" by her numerous, ridiculous, time intensive, noodgelike posting on these forums.

Do you really think NJA pilots are going to call NJW and ask how she wants us to vote on the next TA?

Based on the position of your lips on her posterior... why yes I do believe that YOU will. My god, if Netjetswife would suddenly stop short, you'd be out on a medical for 6 months with a neck injury.

just because she "ain't barefoot and in the kitchen" doesn't preclude her from doing whatever she thinks might help her family's cause.

Well there you have it genius. You said that... not me. I guess you just finally cracked on us huh??

Congratulations on being the forum sexist pig.

Les Paul

 

[FracCapt]

If it were to pass there'd be a fraud investigation. Approximately 1200--clear majority--petitions have been turned in to separate from Local 284. That is a far more drastic step than voting no on a first offer; therefore, we KNOW those pilots voted AGAINST the TA, certainly enough to carry the day.

You don't KNOW that the people that have signed petitions to separate from the 284 have automatically voted NO. For all you know, they are pissed off about the job the 284 and MEC did(so they want them voted out), but want to take their 'retro' and run instead of waiting another 2-3 years!

These approximately 1200 petitions.....who's collecting/counting them? Is it an official source?

 

[HappyOps]

If it were to pass there'd be a fraud investigation. Approximately 1200--clear majority--petitions have been turned in to separate from Local 284. That is a far more drastic step than voting no on a first offer; therefore, we KNOW those pilots voted AGAINST the TA, certainly enough to carry the day. Even the company is now telling pilots that they look forward to a NEW TA in 2005.

Why?

Just because they turned in petitions to separate does not mean that they voted against the T/A.

I am not trying to get anything started, but unless you have a crystal ball, or have some inside information on how each and every person will vote/voted, then the only way you will know the outcome is when the reults are posted.

I was only trying to find out when the vote was/is so I can congratulate the pilots on the success of their unity in their fight for justice.