Why is NetJets TA Unfair?

[flyingforfood]

never mind i smoked that dark stuffff....

 

[CatYaaak]

That's a hard question, and figuring it out will be like.....Rocket surgery.

 

[netjetwife]

Adding to the list of QOL problems.

It Ain't all about the money folks. Lifestyle and work rules are a big part of the problems with this contract!!!!!!

I couldn't agree more! I read your list earlier in the thread and I'd like to add a few more quality of life problems to it.

Pilots must be available to the company by 2pm of their last day off.

Camping ? Hiking? Sorry, not possible. Travelling? Better be on the phone at 2pm or rearrange your schedule. These are my families interests, others have the same problem accomodating theirs. Whose definition of DAY OFF does that fit?? What happens when you talk to them at 2pm? You could be put into rest to come out by midnight....and that DAY OFF just got uglier! No No No

Pilots to do a portion of Recurrent training at home--FOR FREE!

At the wages offered? Hardly! Hard as it may be for all of US to believe, not everyone has a computer and/or internet access. Now those things are a job requirement? I can see benefits for both pilots and the company in this idea, but these are real concerns that must be addressed in the NEXT TA.

Even the lawyer admitted that there is a huge loophole in the scope clause.

Even had the pay been great,it does no good if you lose your job. NJA pilots have helped to build the business. Job security is a fairness issue. A stronger negotiating team will fight for protection of the pilotforce.

SkyGirl, none of the NJ pilots/wives that I've spoken to begrudge ANY other pilots a fair salary. We'd encourage all the rest of you to try to improve your situation, as well. But let's face it, there IS safety and strength in numbers. If a movement to raise wages throughout the industry needs to happen, who is in the best position to go first?

A rising tide lifts all boats.
Netjetwife

 

[rajflyboy]

Netjet Wife >> Your real into this contract deal!

I have finally realized it is a waist of time to worry about it anymore. Not much we can do except vote no for contract and vote no to current MEC. Then the cards will be displayed and we will see what everyone has. Not keeping grass grow under the feet is a good idea too. Exploring other options for work is a good idea at this time.

 

[gunfyter]

Skygirl, here is what I think of SEC filings:

From TheStreet.com http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/comment/detox/10189308.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA

Buffett Insurance Deals Warrant Spitzer Scrutiny

By Peter Eavis
Senior Columnist
10/21/2004 3:00 PM EDT

If Eliot Spitzer really wants to clean up the insurance industry, he should look into an insurance-like product that has been used again and again to cook companies' books.


Financial reinsurance is the name most frequently given to the product. It has been sold by some of the biggest names in the insurance business -- including companies run by Warren Buffett. It has played a key role in masking weaknesses at a number of companies that have later collapsed, leaving huge, previously undisclosed losses and depriving ordinary people of coverage.
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What would Eliot Spitzer find if he should look at Fictional Ownership? I don't know... But I am not impressed with the numbers reported one way or another....

Jet Pilots being paid less than BusDrivers is an intolerable situation and I will vote NO every time I see a pay proposal like that again....

 

[Les Paul]

I couldn't agree more! I read your list earlier in the thread and I'd like to add a few more quality of life problems to it.
Netjetwife

Of course... you always have something more to say don't you.

Pilots must be available to the company by 2pm of their last day off. Pilots to do a portion of Recurrent training at home

Now by "Pilots"... do you mean people who ACTUALLY work for Netjets?

Camping ? Hiking? Sorry, not possible. Travelling? Better be on the phone at 2pm or rearrange your schedule. These are my families interests, others have the same problem accomodating theirs. Whose definition of DAY OFF does that fit?? What happens when you talk to them at 2pm? You could be put into rest to come out by midnight....and that DAY OFF just got uglier! No No No

You're wasting hundreds of useless hours on the internet 28 hours a day, so why are scheduling issues even of concern to you?

At the wages offered? Hardly! Hard as it may be for all of US to believe, not everyone has a computer and/or internet access. Now those things are a job requirement? I can see benefits for both pilots and the company in this idea, but these are real concerns that must be addressed in the NEXT TA.

Wow... that sure was a mouthful. Another example of the use of the term "US" used by someone who isn't employed by Netjets. Also, I find it interesting that your delusions have led to you making assumptions about what is good and what is bad for the Pilots who ACTUALLY work at Netjets. Now, you're already making decisions about the NEXT TA.

Even had the pay been great,it does no good if you lose your job. NJA pilots have helped to build the business. Job security is a fairness issue. A stronger negotiating team will fight for protection of the pilotforce..

Well, at least there is a true statement. "NJA pilots have helped build the business". I see nothing about internet noodge wives however.

SkyGirl, none of the NJ pilots/wives that I've spoken to begrudge ANY other pilots a fair salary. We'd encourage all the rest of you to try to improve your situation, as well. But let's face it, there IS safety and strength in numbers. If a movement to raise wages throughout the industry needs to happen, who is in the best position to go first?..

How many pilots have you spoken too? 2 or 3. LOL! BTW - Are their wives as delusional as you are that they get to vote and decide on the TA as well? LOL!
I also see you are back to liberally using the term "We'd".

A rising tide lifts all boats.
Netjetwife

And a working wife can help pay the bills.

Les Paul

 

[FLYLOW22]

It Ain't all about the money folks. Lifestyle and work rules are a big part of the problems with this contract!!!!!!

Hmmmm... Let's see... What's wrong with the TA......

Ok! Let's start with...

Scope and merger language

Gateways/RCAs

Scheduling

Compensation (or lack thereof)

Hours of service

Use of CVRs for disciplinary action

The shear number of LOUs used to rewrite the contract before it's even voted in thereby hiding more crappy language behind the body of the contract document... LOUs are supposed to be used to add, clarify or update contract sections after the main body is ratified...

This TA 1st attempt is an abomination.

 

[Publishers]

Daveman

Well your right, probably not a pilot. Bought a Cherokee 180 in 1971, traded that for an Arrow, traded that for an Aztec, and traded that for a Turbo Arrow and added a Cessna 402. I also flew the company King Air 90, King Air 100, and Citation I SP. In my work, I had the opportunity to fly stuff from 747's to An 124's to the Goodyear blimp. I owned a commercial aircraft leasing business which leased 727's and Dc9's, a flight attendant training school, worked on the certification project of several 121 air carriers including supplying a professional certification crew. I published AviationCareer magazine, worked with NATA and NBAA on issues, and remain in the business.
What could I possible know about this business?????

 

[rajflyboy]

FlyLow >> You got it. All that stuff Sucks ......and this contract needs to go down in flames because of it.

Salary is only a part of the issues here.

 

[rajflyboy]

Publishers >> Your opinions are welcomed here. We live in America and you have a right to your opinion for sure!!!

 

[FLYLOW22]

Netjet Wife >> Your real into this contract deal!

I have finally realized it is a waist of time to worry about it anymore. Not much we can do except vote no for contract and vote no to current MEC. Then the cards will be displayed and we will see what everyone has. Not keeping grass grow under the feet is a good idea too. Exploring other options for work is a good idea at this time.

Or.... You could volunteer your time with the new group and take more of an active role in forming your future rather than settling fore what is given to you...

 

[rajflyboy]

FlyLow >> I maybe should help out! I'd rather spend my off time looking at other possible opportunities with life.

 

[FLYLOW22]

And a working wife can help pay the bills.

Les Paul

Yeah. Bbut what happened to the days when a pilot could support his/her family without the spouse HAVING to provide a second income. I sure would like to have at least 1 parent home with the children... husband or wife.

 

[rajflyboy]

A working wife at home works for me too!

 

[FLYLOW22]

What could I possible know about this business?????

All that experience and only 1500 hours TT?? With all of the shuttle missions you've flown I'm surprised to see such a low number.... unless you were flying the desk as a management monkey all those years and pretending to be someone who flies for a living. There is nothing like a Chief Pilot who get's out of the office every once in a while to reconnect with his roots... just one of the guys!! Yeah right.

And SMELI to boot??

 

[Les Paul]

Yeah. Bbut what happened to the days when a pilot could support his/her family without the spouse HAVING to provide a second income. I sure would like to have at least 1 parent home with the children... husband or wife.

I agree with you.

My point is/has been that this "Netjetswife" person is constantly championing themselves as the savior of the world, while in actuality, they are nothing but an internet addicted pimple.

Anyone who constantly has to tell everyone how much they "accomplish' and how good they are.... probably are in all reality lazy, and unmotivated, as it is much easier to do nothing all day, and CLAIM to be working and supporting.

Netjetswife sitting in front of their computer monitor as much as s/he, addicted to fantasy chat, is in the REAL world accomplishing nothing for Netjets, so it is a real stretch to believe s/he is really doing anything but typing words on their keyboard.

S/he needs to get off the internet and go out and DO things that really make a difference.

Les Paul

 

[FLYLOW22]

S/he needs to get off the internet and go out and DO things that really make a difference.

Les Paul

Well, maybe.... maybe not. How do you know that Netjetwife's job ISN'T computer based??

 

[Majik]

Les Paul,
You may think we NJA folks are a bunch of losers, don't have a chance to improve our situation, are crazy for trying, and you criticize us for spending so much time on the computer talking about an issue that we are directly involved with. But what does that say about you? You are spending dang near as much time on the computer trying to counter everything NetJetsWife types. You ain't no fractional pilot and don't have a dog in this hunt, yet here you are, day after day, hour after hour, spending your time with a bunch of people whose ideas you so obviously disagree with. You don't even provide any substance to your side of this issue; just basic negativity. I gotta ask, what's your obsession with fractional pilots. Why is it so wrong for her but you see nothing strange about spending hours of your own free time countering every keystroke she types. What's up with that? Seems kinda trippy to me. What's going on in your life that makes this the best use of your free time?

 

[Starman]

He gets mandated breaks at the puzzle palace and has to spend them doing something.

 

[rajflyboy]

NETJET Wife is really a PM in disguise!!!