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Palpatine, Pope / Vader, NATOR, Shakedown, Hey / Lubbock, Slats / Stroker, Sanford*, Smooth*, CFit, CM1, CM2*, Bugman*, Monkey*, Drunky*, Jihad*, Digits, KGB, Gunny*, Junk, MAD*, J-Dawg*, Dodo

* Are good guys/gals. Some are actual military call signs that came from outside.

There were others, good people. But nicknames too obvious (like yours, Runner) so don't want to put them on there.

There was quite a collection of funny names. It was a diverse group.
 
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LegacyDriver said:
Palpatine, Pope / Vader, NATOR, Shakedown, Hey / Lubbock, Slats / Stroker, Sanford*, Smooth*, CFit, CM1, CM2*, Bugman*, Monkey*, Drunky*, Jihad*, Digits, KGB, Gunny*, Junk, MAD*, J-Dawg*, Dodo

* Are good guys/gals. Some are actual military call signs that came from outside.

There were others, good people. But nicknames too obvious (like yours, Runner) so don't want to put them on there.

There was quite a collection of funny names. It was a diverse group.
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Your killing me! Classic stuff.
 
Sounds like 2 or 3 good people that were laid off by AT&T and have contributed to the thread. Why did the company not call you back? Would any have gone back, given the chance?
 
Turtledriver said:
Sounds like 2 or 3 good people that were laid off by AT&T and have contributed to the thread. Why did the company not call you back? Would any have gone back, given the chance?
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Excellent questions! I was lucky to find a great gig that put me on payroll January 2009. I would have loved to have been asked so I could have politely declined. I wish other surplus pilots were recalled as I know some were not so fortunate.

Now, as time flies, Nov 12, 2012 will be 4 years since my last flight with "T". Since then, I have banked the severance (I understand that was a reason for not getting called back), banked cash and put a GV type in my backpocket.

Life is indeed a strange journey. Had I been sent to Dallas i am sure I would still be there. But, for whatever reason, that didn't happen.

I am thankful to have been let go so I could advance my career overseas. It is not for everyone but I love the expat life. It will be very hard to consider a job back in the States.

Cheers-

Rum
 
My understanding was the Navy guy that actually came back, declined when he was offered the move to Dallas, and yet they called him back. Did he get the same severance as the furloughed people? And you are saying, the guys that wanted to stay, but were furloughed, were never allowed to come back. Did anyone try?
 
Management lied. Specifically DY. He was asked if the furloughees were eligible for recall and he said yes unequivocally. I know of no furloughed pilot being asked to come back from the Dallas-move-bloodbath.
 
I guess my amazement is why would a guy who turned AT&T down, be allowed to return, over a guy who never wanted to leave and wanted to come back. My understanding is that was much later after DY left, so sounds like some more shady back office deals. Possible Hot Bunking?
 
LegacyDriver said:
Management lied. Specifically DY. He was asked if the furloughees were eligible for recall and he said yes unequivocally. I know of no furloughed pilot being asked to come back from the Dallas-move-bloodbath.
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Bloodbath is right! So many of us settled into San Antonio, bought homes and within a year, the real estate, job market cratered and we were given notice.

SA is a tough market to be cut lose in for sure. Love the Hill Country but it is not an aviation hub!
 
LegacyDriver said:
The best management pilot they had didn't want to be one in the first place... Went back to being a line captain after the move. Great, great guy. Nothing but respect for him. Heart of gold.
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This is true. Now he is fighting the big fight and I wish him well in that.
 
Turtledriver said:
I guess my amazement is why would a guy who turned AT&T down, be allowed to return, over a guy who never wanted to leave and wanted to come back. My understanding is that was much later after DY left, so sounds like some more shady back office deals. Possible Hot Bunking?
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My colleagues in this thread are top notch. That they were never asked back despite stellar backgrounds is beyond comprehension. T would rather hire an unknown quantity off the street over known, exceptional pilots who always went the extra mile. Shame!
 
Coool Hand Luke said:
This is true. Now he is fighting the big fight and I wish him well in that.
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I fought that one, too. Five times so far. First time at 27. Mine wasn't as bad as his sounds. I will be praying he recovers. Let the little Germ Blah-ston douchdebags call me gay. That man who is fighting has my love and respect along with at least two others here. From the RJ Mafia, get better, sir. We pull for you.
 
Sounds like the flight department is going to send the pompous a-hole to finishing school. A quickie CAM course so he can have some sort of management training certificate to hang on his wall. Some people have actual masters degrees and real life experience. At least hope he changes the "You're Name Here" block to his own. Make it appear more authentic.
 
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Sounds like the flight department is going to send the pompous a-hole to finishing school. A quickie CAM course so he can have some sort of management training certificate to hang on his wall. Some people have actual masters degrees and real life experience. At least hope he changes the "You're Name Here" block to his own. Make it appear more authentic.
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Can you point me to the quickie CAM course please?
 
Anyone see job postings for the new pilot? Anyone get a call? Word is they are being very "selective". Which is code for padding the directors bonus by increasing diversity.
 
They didn't call any furloughees. God forbid they rehire a known quantity over someone they've never seen before.

Just remember, anyone who takes the job.....you're highly expendable. Be looking for your next job the moment you hire on with T.
 
They didn't call any furloughees. God forbid they rehire a known quantity over someone they've never seen before.

Just remember, anyone who takes the job.....you're highly expendable. Be looking for your next job the moment you hire on with T.
 
LegacyDriver said:
Flew over Canyon Lake the other day. Forgot how awesome it is up there. Sigh. Pretty nice place to live. Too bad SAT sucks for flying jobs.
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Amen! I had boat that continuously broke down. I had it out at Canyon Lake thinking I was going to have a great day with this good looking chick. Well, it broke down. I paddled it to a rocky shore, tied it up and we walked back to my truck and left...that was 20 years ago, and I still don't know what happened to that boat.





Btw, I kept the girl...still have her. :)
 
hammer2 said:
Amen! I had boat that continuously broke down. I had it out at Canyon Lake thinking I was going to have a great day with this good looking chick. Well, it broke down. I paddled it to a rocky shore, tied it up and we walked back to my truck and left...that was 20 years ago, and I still don't know what happened to that boat.





Btw, I kept the girl...still have her. :)
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Sounds like a darned good trade!
 
Big week for pilot interviews at AT&T this week! The hiring committee has whittled the the masses to a few under qualified diverse candidates. None of those candidates will be anyone previously furloughed by the flight department a few years back. Here are a few talking points to enhance these candidates chances.

1. Speak highly of your sister wives.
2. Celebrate how your months of volunteerism helped Obama win re-election.
3. Advocate the essential need for proper per-departure crew rest.
4. Emphasize your willingness to work for wages far below industry levels but only if a large portion of your pay is tied to discretionary bonuses.
5. Ask when the Director will give you a kickback for his bonus increase after hiring you.
6. Give the old wink wink nudge nudge after they explain the importance of showing up for trips on time, or at all. Nobody ever gets in trouble for missing trips.
7. Speak of your willingness to drink at 5pm if that's what it takes.
8. Express your views that flying is secondary, real pilots are there for the additional jobs.
9. Say you enjoy being micromanaged, and if you aren't second guessed often, then the chief pilots just aren't doing their jobs.
10 Finally, weave stories of the real joy you get at answering emails and phone calls on vacations and in the middle of the night.
 
I worked with DS at a previous company. Knowing him back then as a line pilot and check airman, he was a quality individual when it came to ethics and integrity. He also knew what was safe and what was BS. He probably doesn't have a rats ass chance of moving into the DOA position. You gotta love how an organization evaluates talent....if your incompetent, a poor leader or an ass kisser....you are gonna be promoted. Like my friend used to say....fry an engine on start and look for a promotion!!
 
Count Dracula said:
I worked with DS at a previous company. Knowing him back then as a line pilot and check airman, he was a quality individual when it came to ethics and integrity. He also knew what was safe and what was BS. He probably doesn't have a rats ass chance of moving into the DOA position. You gotta love how an organization evaluates talent....if your incompetent, a poor leader or an ass kisser....you are gonna be promoted. Like my friend used to say....fry an engine on start and look for a promotion!!
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Right on. Well said. DS is also a very fine pilot. He is just about the only hope I see for that place which is why he will never get the position.
 

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