Why Can't Expressjet Reserves Get Consistent Golden Days Off?

[CFI2766]

Chain of command.

How would you have come by this information?

 

[FightingIrish]

How would you have come by this information?

Since you are the person this is in regard to, what say you? Let's hear your side.

 

[FishandFly]

So then, let's get down to the brass tacks, here, so to speak. What in the heck does Retro or a signing bonus have to do with our future prospects ahead? Are we truly digging this deep to oust the MEC/LEC now? I'd say this was a pretty desperate stretch, if so. Especially since they've since been re-elected and we had the opportunity to vote them out since. Truth is this- they got us a deal, and we accepted a deal. The retro issue was quiet for YEARS and now people are unhappy about it?????

And to clarify things- the MEC didn't get a special piece of the pie. They got ratioed out the pay just as everyone else. To accuse otherwise, is either a misunderstanding, or a flat out lie.

Because it speaks to their character and engrained goal of doing the absolute minimum for the junior pilots.

 

[FightingIrish]

Because it speaks to their character and engrained goal of doing the absolute minimum for the junior pilots.

You do realize that there isn't a single person on the current MEC who was a member of the MEC who did the signing bonus, don't you? You do realize that the ring leader of the current recall movement was a member of the MEC who came up with the signing bonus formula, don't you?

 

[777forever]

Because it speaks to their character and engrained goal of doing the absolute minimum for the junior pilots.

Ok thats enough of the not doing enough for the junior pilot whining. Its beyond rediculous. When you have to dig back to 2007 days and make an argument about retro pay that never existed, you're being desperate. PBS by itself was a HUGE win for the junior pilots

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[COOPERVANE]

It's spelled ridiculous.

 

[FishandFly]

You do realize that there isn't a single person on the current MEC who was a member of the MEC who did the signing bonus, don't you? You do realize that the ring leader of the current recall movement was a member of the MEC who came up with the signing bonus formula, don't you?

Real change (not just a couple members) begins with this and I like it. I would like a bottom to top change that results in representation for the junior pilots equal in effect to the representation of the senior pilots. If things like 6 hour min day for the alpa reps, while they tell reserve guys that 4 for 4 and don't call when you're done are are impossible, are killed in the process then great.

If our alpa is willing to change, starting with producing financial documents of our local cash flow then I am willing to compromise.

And to any "hear no evil" guys who just want to ignore the significance of the retro pay debacle, I believe the exact same thing would happen today which is why nothing has changed yet.

 

[www.]

How would you have come by this information?

The info is not specific. People are put on a CNC by the MEC and the CNC members work for the MEC as directed by the MEC. Same at almost all groups.

 

[www.]

You should just stick to one username on FI.

And you should learn to worry about your own house and not someone else's.

 

[777forever]

Real change (not just a couple members) begins with this and I like it. I would like a bottom to top change that results in representation for the junior pilots equal in effect to the representation of the senior pilots. If things like 6 hour min day for the alpa reps, while they tell reserve guys that 4 for 4 and don't call when you're done are are impossible, are killed in the process then great.

If our alpa is willing to change, starting with producing financial documents of our local cash flow then I am willing to compromise.

And to any "hear no evil" guys who just want to ignore the significance of the retro pay debacle, I believe the exact same thing would happen today which is why nothing has changed yet.

Real change? You guys just keep coming up with vague statements. What in the world a new LEC or MEC be able to change that would make things different? Junior this junior that. Just chill out, stop listening to dumb rumors about whats going on in negotiations,let the process work itself out to a TA, then we can all discuss the facts of the TA and whether junior folks were left out(doubtful)

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[SpaceShipEarth]

How about that May 1st is less than a week away and I STILL don't know if I am working or not on that day! Been dealing with this for almost 5 years now! It's crap

 

[Nevets]

The best pay and QOL increase XJT crewmembers can get at this point in the industry is not thru a new contract but through growth. You guys maybe sensing dejuvu here in a few months IF Skywest Inc gets awarded/purchases PNCL's 16 900s. Continuing to be militant and chest thumping may result in a Skywest base reopening in ATL. Those of you whining about reserve rules will still be on reserve for several more years as Skywest upgrades and hires continually. Keep stepping over dollars looking for pennies...

You are selling yourself WAY short if you feel that the best pay and QOL increase XJT crew members can get at this point in the industry is not through a new contract but though growth. That's the same exact bs mainline pilots fell for when giving away scope. I honestly cant believe there are so many people on the CRJ side that have this mentality. Go ahead and sell yourselves out for someone else's loss of 16 900s and the subsequent furlough but I wouldn't feel right unless we can bring those PNCL pilots with the airplanes, with their seniority and pay. But that's just me.

 

[777forever]

You are selling yourself WAY short if you feel that the best pay and QOL increase XJT crew members can get at this point in the industry is not through a new contract but though growth. That's the same exact bs mainline pilots fell for when giving away scope. I honestly cant believe there are so many people on the CRJ side that have this mentality. Go ahead and sell yourselves out for someone else's loss of 16 900s and the subsequent furlough but I wouldn't feel right unless we can bring those PNCL pilots with the airplanes, with their seniority and pay. But that's just me.

You have either little regard for how the regional industry works or are just ignoring reality. First, you cannot compare mainline pilot's situatuon to regionals in the same breath. Second, maybe for senior capts like yourself growth wont do much but for the vast majority of pilots at the combined carrier growth would do way more in terms of QOL & Pay. Sure improvements will come with the contract but reserve is still reserve, working weekends is still working weekends, and being an FO is still being an FO and there is nothing a new contract can do to change that.



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[Nevets]

You have either little regard for how the regional industry works or are just ignoring reality. First, you cannot compare mainline pilot's situatuon to regionals in the same breath. Second, maybe for senior capts like yourself growth wont do much but for the vast majority of pilots at the combined carrier growth would do way more in terms of QOL & Pay. Sure improvements will come with the contract but reserve is still reserve, working weekends is still working weekends, and being an FO is still being an FO and there is nothing a new contract can do to change that.



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I'm not a senior captain but that is beside the point. The point is that your expectations are low in our prospects of increasing our QOL & pay with a new contract. And your justification for agreeing to a new contract that doesn't have increased QOL and pay is PNCL's 16 900s? The simile that I made between mainline pilots and your excuse to settle for a new contract with no increase of QOL is that both groups would give up something now for a possible outcome later that is perceived to be better. Only management wins in that scenario. None of this is to say that growth isn't good for QOL & pay. I just don't feel they are mutually exclusive.

Now you say, "sure improvements will come with the contract but reserve is still reserve..." so I'm glad you've moderated from your position a bit. And I believe that I'm realistic and which is why I hope that if we do get PNCL's 16 900 (because I don't believe they will go to mainline), that 80 captains and 80 FOs come with them and they are integrated with their longevity and seniority. That's a "win" for everyone.

 

[79%N1]

I'm not a senior captain but that is beside the point. The point is that your expectations are low in our prospects of increasing our QOL & pay with a new contract. And your justification for agreeing to a new contract that doesn't have increased QOL and pay is PNCL's 16 900s? The simile that I made between mainline pilots and your excuse to settle for a new contract with no increase of QOL is that both groups would give up something now for a possible outcome later that is perceived to be better. Only management wins in that scenario. None of this is to say that growth isn't good for QOL & pay. I just don't feel they are mutually exclusive.

Now you say, "sure improvements will come with the contract but reserve is still reserve..." so I'm glad you've moderated from your position a bit. And I believe that I'm realistic and which is why I hope that if we do get PNCL's 16 900 (because I don't believe they will go to mainline), that 80 captains and 80 FOs come with them and they are integrated with their longevity and seniority. That's a "win" for everyone.

And you are saying those 80 Captains and FO's would be integrated into our seniority lists how??? Pretty pragmatic of you, but since that is a separate company, I don't see that EVER happening! Heck, Skywest took 700's from ASA and we didn't get to send any pilots - and we were essentially the same company.