Why Can't Expressjet Reserves Get Consistent Golden Days Off?

[Cpt Oveur]

In the middle of alleged, fast paced negotiations.

It's still highly possible to finish the TA before the recall vote to the general pilot group is concluded.

 

[JumpersAway]

Everybody is pissed over the reserve rules, and rightfully so. Our contract is woefully short on reserve protections, but like 80% of the pilot group, I too thought it was acceptable at the time to sign off on it and accept the TA. I regret that now. However, it is in black and white, and the company is merely doing what I put my "yes" vote on.

Reserve WILL get better-it has to, or a new TA won't pass. The MEC knows this. I think that a recall at THIS time is premature, and half cocked. Let them put a TA out there and lets see where this thing falls. If no reserve QOL improvements are made at that time, THEN throw them to the curb for a new batch that will negotiate from scratch. Changing boats "mid stream" doesn't seem wise or prudent to me. Let the proposed TA speak of their intentions for QOL? Don't buy too much stock in the actions of an emotional hothead and a compulsive liarwith absolutely no integrity. Even if this isn't a personal vendetta, it just smells bad from those who started this.

 

[bigshooter107]

Maybe some extra incentive for the company to move foward on a TA, if the current guys are really in pocket. Any one know how long the vote would take?

 

[777forever]

Three men who will stand up for the pilot group. Yes, I'd take them over the group who is more concerned with not creating any ripples in the water. They know what's going on, know the company, the union, the pilot group, and the contract.

Have you lost your mind? That's like putting the tea party in charge of the country. Absolutely not. They dont know jack about whats going on.


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[bigshooter107]

Have you lost your mind? That's like putting the tea party in charge of the country. Absolutely not. They dont know jack about whats going on.


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Or the patients taking over the asylum....

 

[www.]

The replacements will consist of The Palm, The Farruuuuz, or Coloma......... so the question remains- who is worse??? Them or the current batch?

He's more concerned for himself then the pilot group.

 

[www.]

While it is true we can not accurately speculate about what the JNC is negotiating, I would suggest that everyone both on reserve now and all FO's that plan on being captain some day vote based upon the reserve section.

I guarantee you that after 3+ years on reserve you will wish you had held their feet to the fire now instead of continuing to hear them give excuses why they couldn't do any better.

Our union (crj side) completely sucks when it comes to standing up for our junior pilots.

You have that right. By the way, how did you vote on the last contract?

As for the standing up for the 'JR' pilot, what examples can you provide for us?

 

[79%N1]

Have you lost your mind? That's like putting the tea party in charge of the country. Absolutely not. They dont know jack about whats going on.


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Or a radical, left-wing, socialist, revolutionary nut job that knows jack about economics and want everything to be fair!

 

[enuffalready]

Have you lost your mind? That's like putting the tea party in charge of the country. Absolutely not. They dont know jack about whats going on.


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no politics here.... I am a proud tea party guy... owned businesses and still do. currently employ over 40 people, ...I can promise you I have forgotten more before noon then you will ever know about how things should be run...

keep demonizing people like me... I am keeping existing employees because they are like family but i absolutely will not hire anyone else. Yes I am making money and keeping every nickel on the sidelines....

that son is what is going on with BIZ

you need to go protest something...

 

[Clutch]

Have you lost your mind? That's like putting the tea party in charge of the country. Absolutely not. They dont know jack about whats going on.


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Oh god... racist.

 

[JumpersAway]

He's more concerned for himself then the pilot group.

Exactly. My favorite is his postings regarding the seniority list integrations. He said, himself on the ALPA forum, that he thought the senior pilots should be more heavily protected over the younger pilots because the younger pilots were going to move on anyway. How he ended up on the Dulles LEC is beyond me. He's an arrogant @$$, and he's not bashful about putting his interests first, even at the expense of the other pilots.

 

[dojetdriver]

The replacements will consist of The Palm, The Farruuuuz, or Coloma......... so the question remains- who is worse??? Them or the current batch?

A certain individual may be a "good guy". But going by his repeated posting on the XJT message board, well, it'd be a tough sell. Especially his "you guys (XJT) need to get on board with management" rhetoric he's continually spewed over and over again. Sorry, but I'd hardly call that a mindset/mentality a pilot group would want out of an MEC chair, or ANYBODY in the MEC for that matter.

Never mind his constantly flip-flopping stance on our message board concerning PBS. Again, "you guys need to get on board", THEN "you guys really need to stand against PBS" blah blah blah.

Again, he may be a "good guy". But when it's all said and done and if our new/combined representation comes up for a vote with a certain person's name, well, they did a pretty good job of already pi$$ing off/alienation one side of the house.

 

[CaribPilot]

Dont expect imprivements that are too costly or too inflexible or so good that people bid reserve

Lastly, I hope you're a 200 FO or Captain, because anyone on self induced reserve on the 700/900 has no room to complain


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Not converting to short call for Long call reserves....all days off are Golden Days...& auto releasing after an assignment unless something is already preloaded will not be too costly or inflexible.

And someone being on self induced reserve not being able to say anything follows along the lines of someone being a senior FO not caring about the reserve rules. Everyone should care about the entire contract...staying quiet about reserve rules just because they are on self induced reserve does not help anyone at all.

 

[OCP]

Not sure anyone said WF is a "good guy". But he is loud!

 

[Clutch]

Not sure anyone said WF is a "good guy". But he is loud!

He claims it's because he is deaf

 

[777forever]

Not converting to short call for Long call reserves....all days off are Golden Days...& auto releasing after an assignment unless something is already preloaded will not be too costly or inflexible.

And someone being on self induced reserve not being able to say anything follows along the lines of someone being a senior FO not caring about the reserve rules. Everyone should care about the entire contract...staying quiet about reserve rules just because they are on self induced reserve does not help anyone at all.

Just by taking XJT's reserve rules we will get much of what you stated. The guys are in expediated negotiations right now. Everyone just needs to relax, let the negotiation process play itself out, then we can get on here and debate the new TA. Complaining and/or negotiating in public is not a good idea. The individuals responsible for the recall vote have already done enough damage running their mouth about "under the table" deals.

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[PBRstreetgang]

Guys,
Over at Skywest the Airline, we have:
Platinum Days, ya know, when you roll over at 0400 and decide, "I ain't goin in today"
SSDs, Those are when the PBS bid comes out, an you say to yourself, "I ain't workin on this, that, and this day"
Golden days have tarnished, upgrade to Platinum, or SSDs, think of them like schedule enhancement tools....

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

The guys are in expediated negotiations right now.

Verb
expediate
Common misconstruction of expedite.

 

[JumpersAway]

Verb
expediate
Common misconstruction of expedite.

Now THAT was an amazing enhancing contributor to the conversation at hand.

 

[FishandFly]

You have that right. By the way, how did you vote on the last contract?

As for the standing up for the 'JR' pilot, what examples can you provide for us?

I voted no on the last contract purely based upon my throwing up over the mec's handling of the Retro pay turned "signing bonus"

Remember the bumpers stickers that said Retro pay to the last day?

That did NOT turn out so well for the junior guys & gals.

If you were a new hire over the five year negotiations, retro pay owed you $3500 for your first year alone (19 to 24 / hr.), let alone ~$4/hr for the years after your first.

If you were a senior 70 seat captain, retro pay yielded you NOTHING. This was because the senior 70 seat rates were already industry leading and did not go up with the new contract. I.E. The senior 70 seat guys were already earning their new contract pay for the 5 year period of negotiation.

The 1-3 year guys got what, $300 - $1k?

The Senior 70 seat guys got $20-23K.

Oh, and you can't forget the guys from the same class who happened to upgrade 1 month earlier than their buddies. The newly minted captain got $9k while their FO who was owed the exact same amount got $4k.

Your MEC at work. Argue you need retro pay... Get a high percentage of said retro pay. Realize that you don't want to give the money to the people who were actually hurt by the contract negotiations' duration. Write a formula based upon seniority and seat (neither of which have ANYTHING to do with retro pay) and then scam all the junior guys out of their money.

MEC=Sucks for the junior guy.