where is njaowner?

[netjetwife]

Sctt, I'm sorry if I've offended you, but I still maintain that pilots' wives have a vital stake in the outcome and, that being the case, have every right to participate in a discussion of the issues. I feel that if more people had been more outspoken LAST time, we wouldn't all be in this position THIS time. A married pilot votes based on what is in the best interest of himself AND his wife. All of the wives I speak to are discussing the TA with their husbands, and they (both pilots and wives) consider his vote to be a joint decision.

No, I wasn't trying to pit my husband against you. Just trying to understand where our difference of opinion originates. Perhaps I do need to read your previous posts. I realize your votes are confidential; it was a rhetorical question.


APU...hhmmm...could that stand for Auxillary Power Unit? Is it the generator thing that allows the plane to have A/C when its on the ground? Yes, that is considered a hardship case.

As many of the pilots/wives say, "It's a solid NO vote from OUR house", and we are NOT voting for the current MEC, who have failed miserably! I hope that puts us on the same side of history. My husband often says that the Yes voters will be on the "wrong side of history". (That of course being ONLY the history of NJA.)

 

[Lord Wakefield]

are we forgetting the company has warned that tips must be turned in, I think?

 

[Hawkered]

Netjet Wife, your attacks have been quite personal as well. You seem to hold some belief that you have a higher level of intelligence than the rest of us?

You know what..one of my students has flown over Iraq and dropped bombs and told me he encountered very little resistance throughout any of his sorties.

Yeah, well anyway. Go back and join the other twenty-five or so that won't shut their yappers and think that the yes voters will just go away.

Our management has seen the light. We need to give this ship a rudder if we are to retain investor confidence, develop our workplace and grow as a company. The contract is a living breathing organism that can be updated with Letters of Agreement at any time. We can start updating the agreement and pursuing the needed changes with a new contract in 30 months from now.

You seem to want us all to put our lives on hold while we listen to you belly-ache about how great it was in the military. They should have taught you in the service something about the time value of money. If you reject this proposal now, it will cost you a lot more in the long run, on the returns and compounding of your investments.

Oh, I forgot. You married an F-16 jock, you guys know everything!

 

[Lrjet55]

Our management has seen the light. We need to give this ship a rudder if we are to retain investor confidence, develop our workplace and grow as a company. The contract is a living breathing organism that can be updated with Letters of Agreement at any time. We can start updating the agreement and pursuing the needed changes with a new contract in 30 months from now.

I hope someone beats the ever living piss out of you! I for one would get in line for this.

Its because of these stupid attitudes why were are where we are. Every contract from here on out will have some dumba$$ saying "30 months from now."

PM me so I can put you on my no fly list and save us both some bloddy knuckles.

 

[Hawkered]

Oh my, such words of wisdom from two buffoons sent by the Teamsters thugs?

Hey boys...had any luck finding Jimmy Hoffa yet?

Yeah... sure go ahead, go and make threats. I'll subpoena this website under the new Patriot Act laws and make sure you guys never make it through a TSA security point ever again, or rent a Cessna!

Be careful what you say, or who you say it too, you may live to regret it.

 

[Lrjet55]

blah, blah, blah.


Just quit NJA. The sooner people like you leave the sooner we can get a respectable contract and raise NJA status to something other than what you are making it into.

I just spoke with my FBI buddy and showed him what has been posted on this thread and he was laughing at your post.

He is an agent in Counter Terrorism.

I implore you to watch your statements.

 

[Lrjet55]

Ahhh, forget it.

NJA is not worth arguing about anymore.

Have fun everyone.

 

[Hawkered]

No you quit...go find a Learjet operation. Perhaps you can fly your FBI buddy around!

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

[Hawkered]

Hey Griz!

Some of us have a life away from this place and don't live and breathe it! You guys are like a special interest group. Lots of support, but from very few people who make a lot of noise.

Some of us actually like this job, but we have other lives away from work.

 

[dime line]

Hawkered......


you really don't have anything productive to say. When you do say something, it really makes no sense, to a normal person.

 

[netjetwife]

Hey Griz!
Some of us actually like this job, but we have other lives away from work.

Too many of you also have other jobs outside of work. (There are a number of such pilots in our gateway.) Therein lies the problem. It shouldn't have to be like that! Why is it too much to expect to support a family on wages from a flying job that takes a pilot from home half the month??

 

[netjetwife]

Unaware of that, my Lord.

are we forgetting the company has warned that tips must be turned in, I think?

OUTRAGEOUS! If the owner had wanted to tip anyone else in the company they could have added it to their bill. If this is the company policy, it's just another in a string of insults and disrespect shown to the pilots! Not to mention the owners whose wishes they'd be circumventing. Unbelievable, but considering the source --a company that expects its pilots to do part of Recurrent training at home for FREE--not surprising. Disgusting maybe, but not surprising.

 

[xrated]

Its because of these stupid attitudes why were are where we are. Every contract from here on out will have some dumba$$ saying "30 months from now."
.

You're in the position you are in because management knows a bunch of you were happy to PFT years ago and ALL of you took the job for 28K a year. Its easy to point fingers, but much harder to point the finger at the person in the mirror.

 

[FracCapt]

Quote:
Originally Posted by netjetwife
Jeff is assigned to Centennial/Denver and flies in the Rockies quite a bit. Which airport do you fly into? He says that Telluride can be very difficult esp, in the winter. He had to land there on an icy runway with a strong cross wind.

Are you calling my husband stupid? Or are you suggesting that the instructions were stupid...dangerous? He was told to land there and did his best for the owner..

If he did, in fact, land on an icy runway with a "strong cross wind" at Telluride, yes, I am calling him stupid. High elevation, short runway(for the altitude), icy, and a crosswind....not something I would even consider.

The crews are not "told to land" anywhere. They are told where the trip is scheduled to go - but it is ultimately up to the crew to determine whether or not it is safe to do so. If not, then go elsewhere. I'm certainly not going to do something unsafe to "do my best for the owner". As somebody else stated, the conditions were more than likely greatly exaggerated - but if not, you know what I(and I'd be willing to bet most pilots agree with me) think about it.

Sorry for the delay in response...I was enjoying some recreational time where electricity and phones were not available.

 

[NJAowner]

Owner Info

Griz - would you like my User ID and Password to the owner web-site as well. All of those items specifically identify me and I am not about to go "un-anonymous".


Fly safe.