where is njaowner?

[netjetwife]

But its OK for a pilots wife to ask for him?

If you had bothered to read the beginning of the thread, you would know how this debate started. Seeing the opportunity to "speak" to an owner, I asked about things that I'd been curious about for sometime. I asked 3 questions and everyone focused on 1 and misstated what actually took place.


A few questions please---
NJAowner, what is your POSITION on tipping the pilots? Would you be embarrassed if it became public knowledge that one of your flight crew receives government assistance? Do you find it misleading to be told that there are two captains in every plane, when in reality there is one captain and one first officer that is forced to have a captain's rating but is paid much less than some of the limo drivers? I have no problem believing that you are an owner, as I truly am a wife.
Netjetwife


The owner posted his reply, answering in his own fashion, 1 of my 3 questions, which then led to numerous accusations, all unfounded, that I was ASKING for tips for my husband. It was only, ever, an academic discussion of the issue.


Tips
NetJetWife - I have covered the tips dicussion on the board several times in the past. But, I am flying next week and may try to get some feedback on this with a trial balloon. Please help me and I may try it.

How much do I tip the Capt and F.O.? Should I give the Capt. more? $50 each, $100 each?? 15% of the cost of my hourly fee for the flight (this I will not agree to)? 18% if I have a party of 6 or more on the flight? 15% of the onboard catering bill?

I am not being sarcastic. What do you expect your husband to receive as a tip and what would you (or he) consider insulting?

Thanks.

(Please tell him to ) Fly safe


Clearly the owner,also, wanted the opportunity to satisfy his own curiosity. He could have said he was against tipping and moved on to my other questions. He had assured me that he was serious in asking those questions, so I took him at his word and did my best to answer them. As the debate raged on, I felt we all could use the advice of an expert in etiquette so I researched the subject and posted my findings. I stand by those, and my comments. To ASK for a tip is in very bad taste and something that I would never do. My husband has received tips in the past so clearly his habit of going the extra mile reaps its own reward, based solely on his personal efforts. Perhaps now we could move on to the 2 remaining unanswered questions?
NJW

 

[netjetwife]

Yes, let's move on to something else---

The questions I think we should ask the owner are: How do you think the owners would respond to informational picketing? Would it make an impression to see the pilots' wives and children holding signs at the FBOs?

I can assure all of you that there ARE wives waiting in the wings, willing to carry signs. I have cautioned them to wait for direction from StrongUnion. If they gave the word, I'd be one of the first out the door. Then all you guys who doubt that I'm really a wife could come meet me in person....lol

 

[netjetwife]

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[NJAowner]

Pickets

NetJetWife: In my opinion, pickets by the wives and children at FBOs will backfire in a major way. I have stated many times how I think the pilots can enlist the support of the owners to effect change. Pickets and refusals to fly will infuriate owners, but cause them to support management. Don't forget, you are not starting off with a group which is sympathetic to unions to start with. Then if you drag the owners' families into it, it will backfire. I already told you a real life reaction to a FO bringing an owner's family into your pay dispute.

Fly safe.

 

[dhc8ap]

I have to agree with NJAowner. Don't bring an owner into pay disputes. You agreed to the pay when you went to work there. It's because of the owners that you have jobs. The conflicts should be settled in the proper manner using the proper forum. Whining and complaining will not achieve your result.

To the pilots-you are a professional group. Keep it out of the streets and maintain your professionalism.

 

[xrated]

The questions I think we should ask the owner are: How do you think the owners would respond to informational picketing? Would it make an impression to see the pilots' wives and children holding signs at the FBOs

Please let me know when you plan on doing this. I'd be happy to "dirty up" my kids and loan them to you for a day or two. Though I don't live in CO, I have family up there and I could have them walk to and from the "line". They would get there all worn out from the walk and look even more pathetic. In fact, to support the plight of the Netjets pilot, I'd be willing to have them forego a few meals so they could beg for left over catering from the owners.

You and all Netjets pilots and families you "speak" for should be ASHAMED of such a comment. Its one thing to be a concerned spouce, but to drag kids into union picketing is obscene.

Lady, I've seen a lot of lows on this board, in fact, I've been involved with some, but this one is the low of all lows. You need a vacation and you need it soon.

 

[netjetwife]

And the debate continues---

Under what conditions do you three support pickets and strikes? Though, if you'll notice I said NOTHING about pilots "refusing to fly". But since the subject has been raised--what is the answer? WHEN is it appropriate, in your opinions, to picket and/or strike? And WHERE do you think it should take place? Have any of you ever "walked the line"? Since when is FIGHTING for a fair/earned contract equal to "whining and complaining"? BTW, we are "working in the proper manner using the proper forum". I asked the question on informational picketing STRICTLY for (self) educational purposes, and because the issue was raised by another wife in our support group. At this point, we are ONLY looking at our options.

Xrated, a reality check for you, sir: SHAME goes to the company that exploits its workers, NOT the families that fight corporate greed. OBSCENE is a pilot having to take GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE TO FEED HIS CHILDREN. My son understands that NJA's wages for the FOs entitles him to the "poor kid" lunch price at his public school, and that the "kick-ass" pay his father was promised was NOT delivered. Do you not understand that securing professional wages for NJ pilots will HELP all pilots in the fractional industry?

Owner, clearly, I need to read all of your posts prior to my joining this board. The FACT remains, however, that the wages of the pilots are paid from the management fees charged to the owners---a DIRECT link, whether any of us like it or not.

Dhc8ap, are you saying that it is UN professional to strike for higher wages?
Do you belong to a union, yourself? Are YOU happy with your contract? If so, my congratulations, but to pass judgement on the professionalism of pilots that are fighting for what others enjoy (industry average salaries) seems extremely callous and mean-spirited.

 

[Sctt@NJA]

Netjet Wife you are clearly a smart strong willed person. But you are in over your head here talking about things that you have no concept of. Thats fine but you manage to come across as a know it all at the same time. You are alienating people.

If you want to educate yourself on the issues you bring up there are better places than here. The dialog you are engaged in with NJAowner makes me cringe every time.

Even as a leader it is sometimes best to listen more than you talk until you have figured out what is going on.

We don't talk to owners about tipping... even when it is an "educational" conversation.

We don't talk to owners about possible job actions! Thats a big one.

What are you trying to accomplish on this message board? By asking this I am not in any way implying you don't have as much right as anyone else to post here. But clearly you have a purpose in mind. Do you think its working?

 

[xrated]

Xrated, a reality check for you, sir: SHAME goes to the company that exploits its workers, NOT the families that fight corporate greed.

The only reality check I need is for you to tell me you were joking about "exploiting" your children on a picket line. Were you honestly entertaining the idea of bringing your children to a line, informational or not?

There is no shame or obsenity in doing what you have to do to feed your kids, but even the thought of striking with them is disgusting.

I know you come from a military background and all, but welcome to the private sector. Corporate Greed, ha, show me an aviation related company that isn't greedy and I'll show you some beach front property in AZ.

 

[Hawkered]

I am fearful!

Netjet Wife:

You are causing many of us great concern for the apparent time you are putting into this project, at some apparent disregard for your more earthbound responsibilites!

You have made post after post in the middle of the night, quite often, in highly emotional language. I am concerned for your emotional state of mind, the welfare of your children and your inability to use this board in a way that preserves your anonymity.

Yes, I work for Netjets. Yes, my wife makes more than I do. Yes I also have another part-time job. In a time in history where hundreds of thousands of jobs are being exported, I find myself to be in a fortunate position.

Your rantings are doing nothing to garner support and sound like a spoiled officer's wife that has a history of being little more than a spoiled brat.

I am not telling you to eat cake...just put your time to better use. Go get a job!

 

[dhc8ap]

To NETJETWIFE

I do not belong to a union. I fly for a corporation.
"Fighting for what others enjoy" salary-wise???

I paid my dues-flying a 1900 out of Plattsburgh, NY in the wintertime for a net pay of $800/mo at Commutair. Followed by a 37% paycut at Piedmont as part of the bankrupcy concessions

Callous and mean-spirited-I think not.

I agree with you standing up for salaries-but be careful in the method in which you go about it. It will backfire.

You don't see a COEX F/O out there picketing with his children when he is on Food stamps.

It's all about dignity

 

[dime line]

DHC8AP.....It's all about dignity


Hu, well I can see that you have no Dignity.


I paid my dues-flying a 1900 out of Plattsburgh, NY in the wintertime for a net pay of $800/mo at Commutair. Followed by a 37% paycut at Piedmont as part of the bankrupcy concessions

That sounds like a lot of dignity on your part...yea right.

You wonder why COEX dosent do anything about there crapy pay, because they only hire 800TT hr pilots, who don't know any better.

 

[hbrow15]

You wonder why COEX dosent do anything about there crapy pay, because they only hire 800TT hr pilots, who don't know any better.

600tt now

 

[dime line]

Oh lovely

 

[netjetwife]

I'm in the process of gathering information, weighing options,getting feedback, and educating myself about the issues which directly impact my family. Is that not the purpose of boards like this? I also ask questions on behalf of the NJ Wives Online Support Group. (They read the board). I was not the wife that raised the subject of informational picketing, but having nothing against it on principal, I believed it was a suitable topic of conversation on this board. Was I wrong?

I have voiced my opinion --that we cannot act without guidance from OUR leaders, who ARE NOT the current MEC--to the wives. I see no harm in DISCUSSING all of the options. In our society we're always encouraged to ask questions, so I did. Furthermore, doing so here, helps the most frustrated members of my group to feel as if we are "doing" something other than sitting passively while others make decisions which affect our lives. It's generally accepted that women like to talk about things more than most men. Don't mistake my/our talk for imminent plans. We will not act unilaterally, and certainly not without talking to our husbands about it first.

Dhc8ap, are FOs at other companies also on food stamps? How sad! I do hope they will stand up for themselves, as well. No pilot's family should have to subsidise the salary. It's all about PRINCIPAL!

Hawkered, how are YOU voting on the TA? And who do you speak for? Who are these "many of us" that are so concerned? Could they be yes voters? That'd be nice! To calm your worries--my children are fine, my painting job is going beautifully, and I happen to be one of those people who don't need lots of sleep. Late posts are done between my emails to the wives. This daytime one--between loads of laundry. Satisfied?

Sctt, responses have been much more positive than negative, from both pilots and wives. If I "knew it all" I wouldn't be asking questions. My purpose in posting is 2-fold: educating myself by broadening my horizons, and "rallying the troops" by lending support and inspiring the wives to stand up for their families. Is it working? Absolutely! I'm learning a lot and the feedback from the wives has made all my late night work (after my daytime responsibilities) worth every hour of sleep I've missed. There are leaders among the NJA pilots that I trust to be objective about my posts here. If they ask me to stop posting, I will.