When is US Air West going to sue ALPA?

[Itsallsogood]

From a higher up today.......
Doug is not that stupid (another topic lol).... but 9 757 Captains and 40 320 West Captain upgrades. Let the whipsawing begin.

 

[Hpilot]

And the company will be sold off in little pieces without the pilots. That is a GREAT plan. What's better, to be 55 years old as an FO making 110k or so a year of "Captain" at an airline that is out of business. Try and find a guy who was 55 years old when Braniff or EAL went out of businss. Ask them what they would have chosen for the last few years of their career.

1. 100k+ salary and 10 to 15% a month going directly into their retirement as a senior FO or.


2. Unemployed at 55, a few years from retirement, kids in college, and a house payment. Though I do hear Mesa is hiring.

Funny, the east guys are upset at yanking gear for a guy with 10 years on the property. Just think how happy they will be yanking gear for a 1000hr mesa captain.

Food for thought

You're wasting your time trying to explain reality to weasel. He couldn't find his own @ss with both hands and a map.

 

[trainer8]

Again I was an east pilot I just am ashamed that they would act this way enlight of the fact that they agreed to the process. What makes it worse is their attempt to extort ALPA into forcing the west pilots to modify the list until it suits them. That is wrong and where does that leave ALPA when the next round of mergers takes place? This whole thing is disgusting

If you were an east driver, how many seniority numbers did you move up in the Nicolau list as to where you were on the LCC Seniority List?

T8

 

[trainer8]

For someone who backed into their job,you seem to have a lot to say about how the award went down,don't you?

PHXFLYR

Please...If anyone has "a lot to say," it's you. I post occasionally on this board--284 times since 2004 compared to your 1258+ posts since 2003. The facts are the facts. You win. You truely have more to say...about...well, it looks like everything. Your cutting remark regarding my status of employment only confirms what I posted.

T8

 

[m80drvr]

If you were an east driver, how many seniority numbers did you move up in the Nicolau list as to where you were on the LCC Seniority List?

T8

NONE bottom of the list list is the bottom of the list. RELATIVE SENIORITY, Tough concept to understand I guess.

 

[MCDU]

First of all the bottom of the list was not used. USAirways was flying E 170 at the time of merger and the list of active pilots went all the way to the bottom. Alpa is getting sued for that very reason by not including and representing all active pilots at the time of merger. Many showed as furloughed, but were active at the time of merger.
Bottom of the list was 1800 numbers further down.
So relative seniortiy was not even used.
Odell already has 400 pilots below him. But who cares, the list will never happen.

By the way, USAIR saved America West. All profits are coming from the east. Losses on the WEST.
EAST had 350 mill at the time of merger AWA 80 mill. NO WAY AWA.


Marty

 

[weasel_lips]

You're wasting your time trying to explain reality to weasel. He couldn't find his own @ss with both hands and a map.

There will not be a joint contract for many years IF ever. - Reality.

You won the lottery, but you can’t cash the ticket. – Reality.

You can throw out your little threats and childish name calling, but that will not change ............. (you guessed it) - Reality.

 

[737 Pylt]

You're wasting your time trying to explain reality to weasel. He couldn't find his own @ss with both hands and a map.

I bet, based on your expierence, you could though!:laugh:

737

 

[Fast43]

First of all the bottom of the list was not used. USAirways was flying E 170 at the time of merger and the list of active pilots went all the way to the bottom. Alpa is getting sued for that very reason by not including and representing all active pilots at the time of merger. Many showed as furloughed, but were active at the time of merger.
Bottom of the list was 1800 numbers further down.
So relative seniortiy was not even used.
Odell already has 400 pilots below him. But who cares, the list will never happen.

By the way, USAIR saved America West. All profits are coming from the east. Losses on the WEST.
EAST had 350 mill at the time of merger AWA 80 mill. NO WAY AWA.


Marty

I would like to know sir, if you are a line pilot, what kind of CRACK your smoking that allows you to keep a medical certificate.

The money that you speak of was made available to AAA only after the merger was agreed to by Parker.

More accurately the people with the money made it available to AAA so they could emerge from BK only after the merger was agreed to. No merger agreement, No money. No one else was waiting in the wings ( Jack Stephans testified to this in the E-190 arbitration) Even David Bronner had run out of patience with AAA.

So go ahead and light up another one and start googling a you will see the truth! And do it quick before you say that again and someone hears you!

 

[get2flyin]

First of all the bottom of the list was not used. USAirways was flying E 170 at the time of merger and the list of active pilots went all the way to the bottom. Alpa is getting sued for that very reason by not including and representing all active pilots at the time of merger. Many showed as furloughed, but were active at the time of merger.

Marty

Yeah, USAir had E 170s. I wonder why those boys didn't just bid off of them and back to the 'Bus and the Boeings? Oh yeah, they couldn't because it was a different company genius...nice try though.

And USAir saved AWA? Are you insane? Now that the "process" has moved so far along, no one can say their fates aren't intertwined. If one goes down the crapper, the other will follow...but seriously, have you actually stopped to listen to what your saying? You're embarrassing yourself.

But hey, that's just my opinion...I may be wrong.

 

[PCL_128]

Yeah, USAir had E 170s. I wonder why those boys didn't just bid off of them and back to the 'Bus and the Boeings? Oh yeah, they couldn't because it was a different company genius...nice try though.

Oh yeah? Which certificate were they on?

 

[JetMonkey]

By the way, USAIR saved America West. All profits are coming from the east. Losses on the WEST.


Marty

I'd like to know where your getting the financials since both sides are combined now? Two years ago the west was in the black, the east was bleeding bright red. Sure fuel has gone up a little, in the past two years but our loads are still the same or a little higher and capacity has shrunk driving up the fares. Wow! how bout that, the fares went up and people STILL bought tickets. What a concept huh?

 

[Thebadcat1313]

What do those 170's say on the side? EXPRESS????? Do they represent current flight deck positions at US? Did they bring a job to the table that an AWA pilot could eventually bid into? Of course not. THAT is why they were not considered by the arbitrator.

 

[PositiveRate]

Relax....

MCDU (Marty) is just another pissed off furloughee trying to stir the pot. He's not the line pilot he might seem to be.

The E170 argument is moot.

PCL - just because the certificate was piggybacked onto the US certificate doesn't change the fact that those MDA pilots were not mainline. They couldn't just move to/from the bigger planes with system bids...it was a different company. People choose to ignore that because it suits their argument, but it doesn't change the reality.

That would be similar to Comair pilots demanding to be integrated with Delta pilots during a merger because they were wholly owned.


Seriously - these arguments are getting more fanatical as time goes on. The only way all of us win is to start working together to better our contract. Sadly, that seems to be a very low East priority these days.

 

[PCL_128]

PCL - just because the certificate was piggybacked onto the US certificate doesn't change the fact that those MDA pilots were not mainline. They couldn't just move to/from the bigger planes with system bids...it was a different company. People choose to ignore that because it suits their argument, but it doesn't change the reality.

No, they weren't mainline pilots, but an LOA was put into place that gave them rights to mainline positions. For the "new" USAir not to honor that LOA would be unacceptable. I find it incredibly ironic that some West pilots tell the MDA guys that they didn't "earn" a AAA job the right way, but then they complain when the East pilots make similar condescending remarks about their West brothers. When are pilots going to realize that an air line pilot is an air line pilot, and creating all of these artificial divisions is a big mistake?

The only way all of us win is to start working together to better our contract. Sadly, that seems to be a very low East priority these days.

Agreed. The Executive Council has made their decision. Time to move forward. Unfortunately, doesn't look like that's going to happen.

 

[ultrarunner]

The only way all of us win is to start working together to better our contract.

ALPA pilot groups don't have their $hit together enough in their own houses, let alone together enough to make an attempt at cross-cultural negotiations. If these pilot groups were serious about working together on ANYTHING, seniority integration would have never gone to binding-arbitration, would it have?

 

[The Victors]

u west guys are full of sh&t. U know that you got a windfall. You're just all talkin big because you think you won round 1. Can wait until this list gets thrown out and you morons get stapled.

 

[JetMonkey]

u west guys are full of sh&t. U know that you got a windfall. You're just all talkin big because you think you won round 1. Can wait until this list gets thrown out and you morons get stapled.

Let's see, I started out 6% from the bottom and ended up the exact same. Haven't moved an inch in 2 1/2 years. And now we can't negotiate a new contract even though we're past our own amendable date. first 500 on the list are all easties. The furloughes who choose to come back are back (even though in their hearts they knew they wouldn't be) and all growth (upgrades, movement, new aircraft, and routes) are all east. Yup, I sure made out like a bandit.

 

[PositiveRate]

Victors,

We're not talking "$hit" - we're countering your delusional spin.

The reality is that the West has remained reasonable, informed and overwhelmingly patient throughout this process.

I'm not going to stoop to your level. It's quite clear that a vocal faction out East wishes nothing but harm on the West pilots and will stop at nothing to ensure it happens. That includes manipulating and and stepping on their own East brothers in the process. If you want to play that game, that's your choice.

 

[Green]

u west guys are full of sh&t. U know that you got a windfall. You're just all talkin big because you think you won round 1. Can wait until this list gets thrown out and you morons get stapled.

That about sums up the average eastie. You must be a PHL rep?

 

[Green]

No, they weren't mainline pilots, but an LOA was put into place that gave them rights to mainline positions. For the "new" USAir not to honor that LOA would be unacceptable. I find it incredibly ironic that some West pilots tell the MDA guys that they didn't "earn" a AAA job the right way, but then they complain when the East pilots make similar condescending remarks about their West brothers.


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PCL

You just don't get it. 99.9% of AWA pilots have no problem with MDA guys being on the combined list, but at the BOTTOM. Many MDA pilots on here think they deserve to be slotted in ahead of active AWA pilots. That is ludicrous. I even heard one poster complain that he somehow got screwed because his 14 or so years at PDT didn't rollover to US Airways in terms of pay and seniority . WTFO????

 

[get2flyin]

u west guys are full of sh&t. U know that you got a windfall. You're just all talkin big because you think you won round 1. Can wait until this list gets thrown out and you morons get stapled.

I could be wrong, but I think this may have been written by a 13 year old girl whose dad was either furloughed or retired. Just a guess....

But I do agree with you on one thing...I can wait until this list gets thrown out too. Nice.

 

[Vastly Underemp]

Has anyone else noticed the homonym of what The former USAir MEC was demanding (Date Of Hire) and what Homer Simpson says when he f**ks up (DOH!)?

 

[Hpilot]

u west guys are full of sh&t. U know that you got a windfall. You're just all talkin big because you think you won round 1. Can wait until this list gets thrown out and you morons get stapled.

Spoken like a truly clueless moron.

 

[becket]

That about sums up the average eastie. You must be a PHL rep?

No, he's a furloughee. He's been on furlough 2.5x longer than he ever worked there. Obviously, he hasn't been able to land an even half way decent job in 5 years and was REALLY hoping that he could throw a bunch of west guys under the bus because he was "hired" 7 years ago, (on furlough for 5).

Even though stephen wolf put his seat in the mojave desert, thus retiring his job for ever, he is still ignorant enough to believe that his furlough number means jack sh.t to the process.

Loser.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Please...If anyone has "a lot to say," it's you. I post occasionally on this board--284 times since 2004 compared to your 1258+ posts since 2003. The facts are the facts. You win. You truely have more to say...about...well, it looks like everything. Your cutting remark regarding my status of employment only confirms what I posted.

T8

Did I strike a nerve,"Captain"?

PHXFLYR...post 1,259 ..but hey ,who's counting? Oh,that's right..YOU!!

 

[Boeing747Driver]

u west guys are full of sh&t. U know that you got a windfall. You're just all talkin big because you think you won round 1. Can wait until this list gets thrown out and you morons get stapled.

Retard Post of the year award.

From yours truly a former Eastie.

Let me guess you drive a vette?