When is US Air West going to sue ALPA?

[PCL_128]

Well,well,well. If it isn't Alpa National's little boot licker Mark.You ever get tired of carrying their water?


PHXFLYR

Rez is most certainly not Mark.

 

[PCL_128]

That's what leadership is about, doing the right thing regardless of the consequences.

No, that's not leadership, that's blind idealism. I'm not one to defend Prater, but expecting him to simply ignore the concerns brought forth by the East pilots is ridiculous.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

It's not if the East's concerns are ridiculous.

They took it to arbitration. They brought this onto themselves with their unrealistic expectations. And now Prater is letting all the alpa groups down by waffling when his duty is clear: Enforce an arbitrated award.

3800 angry pilots are driving an organization of "60,000 pilots who fly for 41 U.S. and Canadian airlines."

Prater is a coward.

ALPA is a pathetic waste of money.

 

[PHXFLYR]

It's not if the East's concerns are ridiculous.

They took it to arbitration. They brought this onto themselves with their unrealistic expectations. And now Prater is letting all the alpa groups down by waffling when his duty is clear: Enforce an arbitrated award.

3800 angry pilots are driving an organization of "60,000 pilots who fly for 41 U.S. and Canadian airlines."

Prater is a coward.

ALPA is a pathetic waste of money.

AMEN!!!!


PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Well that is all fine... ALPA isn't the only solution...but it would seem to easier and better fix the current model than create a new one....

Not when the current model is beyond fixing. I'd much rather put all that time energy and effort into creating an in house union from scratch rather than waste one more second trying to salvage this poor excuse of a union known as ALPA. What a waste.

PHXFLYR

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Not when the current model is beyond fixing. I'd much rather put all that time energy and effort into creating an in house union from scratch rather than waste one more second trying to salvage this poor excuse of a union known as ALPA. What a waste.

PHXFLYR

Sounds good.... what's your plan......

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Well, [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]First I'm gonna need Three-In-One oil and some gauze pads. And I'm gonna need about ten quarts of anti-freeze, preferably Prestone. No... no make that Quaker State.

Apologies to Fletch and my ALPA brothers.
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[Ace McCoy]

Dudes seriously. Binding Arbitration. What part of binding is so hard to understand?

If you don't like the results don't frickin agree to Binding Arbitration. Sounds simple to me.

 

[AVI8V1]

I may be mistaken but isn't part of the east's argument include accusations that Nicolau did not follow the guidelines in front of him for the integration and therefore the arbitration is not valid?

 

[FDJ2]

I may be mistaken but isn't part of the east's argument include accusations that Nicolau did not follow the guidelines in front of him for the integration and therefore the arbitration is not valid?

Of course they are going to argue that, but ultimately they will lose the argument.

The East is going to utilize every avenue available to them to defeat this binding arbitration, but ultimately the Nicolau decision will prevail, ALPA will deliver the list to management and it will be implemented.

In the meantime, expect more of the same from the East, they are simply trying to create some leverage to get the West MEC back into negotiations, but unfortunately for the East, that train has left the station.

 

[AVI8V1]

fdj2
thanks for the input, I am trying to educate myself on the debate.
Does anyone know what in particular the east says was violated in the integration protocol?

I also understand that if you project the new list out 7 years, with retirements 4 to 1 east to west, all widebody captain slots will be held by west pilots (if they choose to bid them).

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

I think the East plan now is simply to delay. They hope that by keeping the airline apart they will be able to take advantage of the attrition. Basically they want as many guys to become CA from their list as possible; even the dead ones.

They know its a matter of time, but they're trying to slow it down by suing. Problem is, they've poisoned the process for all of ALPA, not to mention they're wrecking the airline in the process.

They'll argue it was already wrecked, but damn if these guys aren't willing to sink 45,000 USAirways workers' livelihoods so some guys who weren't working here can be placed ahead of those who are.

 

[PCL_128]

fdj2
thanks for the input, I am trying to educate myself on the debate.
Does anyone know what in particular the east says was violated in the integration protocol?

The "no windfall" clause is what the East is arguing was violated. Basically, ALPA merger policy requires that a variety of factors be considered in determining a merged list, but neither side is allowed to receive a "windfall." The East argues that the pilots on the West received such a windfall, therefore the arbitrator didn't comply with ALPA merger policy.

 

[AVI8V1]

that would be it.

I know a usair guy hired in 1986 or so who is JUNIOR to an 04 AWA guy. Says the kid wasn't even born when he was flying at Braniff.

Single alpa seniority list anyone?

 

[abefly]

that would be it.

I know a usair guy hired in 1986 or so who is JUNIOR to an 04 AWA guy. Says the kid wasn't even born when he was flying at Braniff.

Single alpa seniority list anyone?

What does age have to do with alpa merger policy? NOTHING If a 1986 hire date at US AIR placed you 30 from the bottom on the airbus and a 2005 hire date at AMERICA WEST placed you 30 from the bottom on the airbus then you should be relatviely at the same seniority!!!