When is US Air West going to sue ALPA?

[JT8D]

One more thing, if and when parker gets tired of all the east's crap and he sells it off, I would assume the buyer, say maybe UAL would not want the problem children of the east and all the headaches the bring They would have parker bankrupt the company, throw out LOA 93 and the fragmantation protections and sell the pieces off WITHOUT the pilots.

First off...that ain't never gonna happen.

I would give the original AWA a year tops surviving as a National Carrier in todays environment.

So you as an AWA pilot should not be prodding Easties with the slinging of terms such as "childish" as both groups in the long run are tied together (legally or not) and are going to suffer the same fate...either the two groups will find common ground (extremely doubtful, unless some major breakthroughs occur) or both groups will experience the demise of an airline.

I know "STFD" has been the cattle call in the industry for the last 6 years of concessions, but every labor group in the industry acquiesced to management (to preserve the company... the "live to fight another day" mantra).

I wouldn't be so sure about the Easties acquiescing on this though. This seals their fate and a lot of guys who were Captains (all were) are gonna be jerkin gear until retirement now...set in stone if this is how it goes down. I don't see it happening personally.

You can take all the emotional conversation out of it...it is as simple as that.

 

[ultrarunner]

Hp....I think you're giving the East more credit with respect to their "proposed" litigation.

As I said before, I wouldn't expect this to ever go in front of a judge, IMO.

 

[weasel_lips]

It's sad but true. The East guys are putting themselves in harms way because they feel the arbitration was a windfall for the west. If anything it was a windfall for the east.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaah

Now that is fargin funny! A windfall for the east? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Was that a typo?

 

[Hpilot]

Hp....I think you're giving the East more credit with respect to their "proposed" litigation.

As I said before, I wouldn't expect this to ever go in front of a judge, IMO.

I meant the, "burn the mother down" attitude. You're absolutely right, the lawsuit will get laughed out of court.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Give AWA a year as a national carrier. YGTBSM!

AWA's hubs were/are PHX and LAS. We successfully fought off SWA in those markets when USAir was selling off BWI and bailing out of the West.

Holy crap jt8d you're retarded.

 

[JT8D]

Give AWA a year as a national carrier. YGTBSM!

AWA's hubs were/are PHX and LAS. We successfully fought off SWA in those markets when USAir was selling off BWI and bailing out of the West.

Holy crap jt8d you're retarded.

SWA has always called AWA "their best customer".

My point was HP and US need each other to succeed at this point.

 

[Fast43]

I wouldn't be so sure about the Easties acquiescing on this though. This seals their fate and a lot of guys who were Captains (all were) are gonna be jerkin gear until retirement now...set in stone if this is how it goes down. I don't see it happening personally.

You can take all the emotional conversation out of it...it is as simple as that.

The words of a Genius!!!!

It's too bad the merger happened then !!!

Having an F/O job with a chance to upgrade after retirement goes from 60 to 65. yeah that result is truly terrible, I mean just how could a guy live through that.

Liquidation and unemployment at 50-55 would have been much more tolerable both Emotionaly and Financialy, Like you said that would be simple !!!

 

[Itsallsogood]

A fence will probably not be necessary, since there will never be a joint CBA.

What rational person would vote yes (joint CBA) to something that will cost them the left seat.


All 60% already in the left seat.

 

[PlaneDrvr]

A fence will probably not be necessary, since there will never be a joint CBA.

What rational person would vote yes (joint CBA) to something that will cost them the left seat.


All 60% already in the left seat.

Don't work there, but have talked to a lot friends who work there (US Air East), both left seat and right seat, and don't think there is any near 50% that will vote "Yes" on a joint CBA right now. So, just how do you think that you would ever get the 'votes' if you had a contract to vote on???

The 'numbers' just are definitely NOT there.

Just a thought??

DA

 

[Itsallsogood]

My point was HP and US need each other to succeed at this point.[/quote]

point is.... what is your point? Never sign an agreement? STMFD? Succeed? Do you know what that means? You want to Phudge AWA so you can succeed is what I see, since you could not "succeed" on your own.

 

[Itsallsogood]

From a higher up today.......
Doug is not that stupid (another topic lol).... but 9 757 Captains and 40 320 West Captain upgrades. Let the whipsawing begin.

 

[Hpilot]

And the company will be sold off in little pieces without the pilots. That is a GREAT plan. What's better, to be 55 years old as an FO making 110k or so a year of "Captain" at an airline that is out of business. Try and find a guy who was 55 years old when Braniff or EAL went out of businss. Ask them what they would have chosen for the last few years of their career.

1. 100k+ salary and 10 to 15% a month going directly into their retirement as a senior FO or.


2. Unemployed at 55, a few years from retirement, kids in college, and a house payment. Though I do hear Mesa is hiring.

Funny, the east guys are upset at yanking gear for a guy with 10 years on the property. Just think how happy they will be yanking gear for a 1000hr mesa captain.

Food for thought

You're wasting your time trying to explain reality to weasel. He couldn't find his own @ss with both hands and a map.

 

[trainer8]

Again I was an east pilot I just am ashamed that they would act this way enlight of the fact that they agreed to the process. What makes it worse is their attempt to extort ALPA into forcing the west pilots to modify the list until it suits them. That is wrong and where does that leave ALPA when the next round of mergers takes place? This whole thing is disgusting

If you were an east driver, how many seniority numbers did you move up in the Nicolau list as to where you were on the LCC Seniority List?

T8

 

[trainer8]

For someone who backed into their job,you seem to have a lot to say about how the award went down,don't you?

PHXFLYR

Please...If anyone has "a lot to say," it's you. I post occasionally on this board--284 times since 2004 compared to your 1258+ posts since 2003. The facts are the facts. You win. You truely have more to say...about...well, it looks like everything. Your cutting remark regarding my status of employment only confirms what I posted.

T8

 

[m80drvr]

If you were an east driver, how many seniority numbers did you move up in the Nicolau list as to where you were on the LCC Seniority List?

T8

NONE bottom of the list list is the bottom of the list. RELATIVE SENIORITY, Tough concept to understand I guess.

 

[MCDU]

First of all the bottom of the list was not used. USAirways was flying E 170 at the time of merger and the list of active pilots went all the way to the bottom. Alpa is getting sued for that very reason by not including and representing all active pilots at the time of merger. Many showed as furloughed, but were active at the time of merger.
Bottom of the list was 1800 numbers further down.
So relative seniortiy was not even used.
Odell already has 400 pilots below him. But who cares, the list will never happen.

By the way, USAIR saved America West. All profits are coming from the east. Losses on the WEST.
EAST had 350 mill at the time of merger AWA 80 mill. NO WAY AWA.


Marty

 

[weasel_lips]

You're wasting your time trying to explain reality to weasel. He couldn't find his own @ss with both hands and a map.

There will not be a joint contract for many years IF ever. - Reality.

You won the lottery, but you can’t cash the ticket. – Reality.

You can throw out your little threats and childish name calling, but that will not change ............. (you guessed it) - Reality.

 

[737 Pylt]

You're wasting your time trying to explain reality to weasel. He couldn't find his own @ss with both hands and a map.

I bet, based on your expierence, you could though!:laugh:

737

 

[Fast43]

First of all the bottom of the list was not used. USAirways was flying E 170 at the time of merger and the list of active pilots went all the way to the bottom. Alpa is getting sued for that very reason by not including and representing all active pilots at the time of merger. Many showed as furloughed, but were active at the time of merger.
Bottom of the list was 1800 numbers further down.
So relative seniortiy was not even used.
Odell already has 400 pilots below him. But who cares, the list will never happen.

By the way, USAIR saved America West. All profits are coming from the east. Losses on the WEST.
EAST had 350 mill at the time of merger AWA 80 mill. NO WAY AWA.


Marty

I would like to know sir, if you are a line pilot, what kind of CRACK your smoking that allows you to keep a medical certificate.

The money that you speak of was made available to AAA only after the merger was agreed to by Parker.

More accurately the people with the money made it available to AAA so they could emerge from BK only after the merger was agreed to. No merger agreement, No money. No one else was waiting in the wings ( Jack Stephans testified to this in the E-190 arbitration) Even David Bronner had run out of patience with AAA.

So go ahead and light up another one and start googling a you will see the truth! And do it quick before you say that again and someone hears you!

 

[get2flyin]

First of all the bottom of the list was not used. USAirways was flying E 170 at the time of merger and the list of active pilots went all the way to the bottom. Alpa is getting sued for that very reason by not including and representing all active pilots at the time of merger. Many showed as furloughed, but were active at the time of merger.

Marty

Yeah, USAir had E 170s. I wonder why those boys didn't just bid off of them and back to the 'Bus and the Boeings? Oh yeah, they couldn't because it was a different company genius...nice try though.

And USAir saved AWA? Are you insane? Now that the "process" has moved so far along, no one can say their fates aren't intertwined. If one goes down the crapper, the other will follow...but seriously, have you actually stopped to listen to what your saying? You're embarrassing yourself.

But hey, that's just my opinion...I may be wrong.