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Anyone have any info on this "new" venture?

A Fractional operation using turbo props, souds like a great idea...anyone
 
Read that 9 aircraft expected to be operated in the Northeast by end of 2013. I have heard they have hired some ex-Avantair pilots among others and initial sim training has started. Lots of growth planned around regional "clusters." Sounds like Southeast and Southwest are next after Northeast.
 
johnsonrod said:
Read that 9 aircraft expected to be operated in the Northeast by end of 2013. I have heard they have hired some ex-Avantair pilots among others and initial sim training has started. Lots of growth planned around regional "clusters." Sounds like Southeast and Southwest are next after Northeast.
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Hard to find some informations on the companys aircrafts but if you yahoo search wheels up king airs you find this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2RNjLbOXL4

So training has begun. Good lucks.
 
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Now where were we?

Where the F is BDR? Is that Bader field Atlantic City NJ?
 
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Does not sound too bad. I am a pilot looking to move back to the Northeast...wondering if this would be something to put "stakes down" on.
Question is can one make it at 70K with a family up in the Northeast...not sure, but am willing to explore the option.
Got to get info on where to send resume, and what their base(s) will be.
 
You think $70k is "not too bad"??? :erm:

Pilots are their own worst enemies...
 
fischman said:
You think $70k is "not too bad"??? :erm:

Pilots are their own worst enemies...
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What do KA350 charter pilots typically get paid in the Northeast? More than $100K? Wheels Up is basically a block charter provider - right?

I'd be curious to know what VistaJet/Jet Aviation intends to pay their upcoming Global 6000 pilots (operation begins in March)...
 
An airplane is an airplane. I don't care if it is a King Air, Citation, Hawker, Airbus, or Boeing.

Why some are willing to take peanuts ($70k) to do the same job is pathetic. How much does a SWA PIC make? Why is he worth more than you? Time to get some self worth folks. There is a looming pilot shortage. STOP BRING THE PROFESSION DOWN.

Disgusting...
 
Turbinehead said:
Hard to find some informations on the compansy aircrafts but if you yahoo search wheels up king airs you find this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2RNjLbOXL4

So training has begun. Good lucks.
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Ya knew it was just a matter of time before someone posted this. Wheels Up sure is a bizarre name for an aviation company flying retractable gear complex flying machines. DUH!

Makes a great training video though, for Wheels Up King Air Pilots ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2RNjLbOXL4

Gotta love Miles Obrien narrating. They might have been Garrets dummy. Anyway, thanks for the laughs Turbanhead.
 
the sad truth is that MOST 91/135 pilots only make 60K to 75K on average.
If "starting" pay is 70K, flying a prop, I say it`s not bad. I would love to be making 170K flying a King Air...who wouldn`t.....but really!!!
The real question is: What kind of "Pay Progression" is there...and that goes for any company.
I defy any of you to give me a "Prop Payscale" that starts at 70K and say tops out at say 110K.
I mean c`mon fellas...Pay rates for 91/135 pilots will stay "depressed" for a long time in these USA...Unions or not, makes no difference. Been there done that.
 
Be a man. Sheesh.

$70k is insulting.
 
skyismyoffice said:
So are you suggesting it's better to sit home & collect unemployment if you can't make six figures???
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I'm suggesting that it is better to know what you are worth and go get it.

If these companies can't get enough pilots at $70k, $100k, $180k then the free market will drive up salaries.

If you don't think you're worth industry leading pay, that's fine. Just get out of my skies. Start your own business. Get rich.
 
"my skies"?...what the hell does that mean?

If everyone made "industry leading pay"...would that mean nobody makes less?

You're right that if employers couldn't get pilots at $70K...salaries would go up...but they can get all they want at $70K to $120K...so why pay more? Nice to dream that you can make more, but it simply isn't reality for most.

This has been discussed over and over again...can't you comprehend this very basic principle of economics?
 
Hmmm...

Looks like I'm getting under the skin. I must be doing something right.

Nervous companies might have to start paying up Gret???
 
fischman said:
I'm suggesting that it is better to know what you are worth and go get it.

If these companies can't get enough pilots at $70k, $100k, $180k then the free market will drive up salaries.
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Very true, but they CAN get plenty of qualified pilots at those rates, so the free market is working the way it should. If and when there is a pilot shortage, salaries WILL go up. You sir, seem determined to put the cart before the horse, but a free market doesn't work that way. There are currently quite a few flying jobs that pay between 200K and 300K per year, but not too many that are week on week off living anywhere you want flying a turbo prop or light jet around North America. You can argue all you want that flying is flying and an airplane is an airplane, but the market will decide that too. That's just the way it is.

If there were more pilots willing to move to Asia to find work, competition would increase, and my salary would go down. Currently, there aren't enough pilots willing to make that move, so my salary keeps going up. That's not the situation in the US yet. Hopefully, it will be in the near future.
 
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Very true, but they CAN get plenty of qualified pilots at those rates, so the free market is working the way it should. If and when there is a pilot shortage, salaries WILL go up. You sir, seem determined to put the cart before the horse, but a free market doesn't work that way. There are currently quite a few flying jobs that pay between 200K and 300K per year, but not too many that are week on week off living anywhere you want flying a turbo prop or light jet around North America. You can argue all you want that flying is flying and an airplane is an airplane, but the market will decide that too. That's just the way it is.

If there were more pilots willing to move to Asia to find work, competition would increase, and my salary would go down. Currently, there aren't enough pilots willing to make that move, so my salary keeps going up. That's not the situation in the US yet. Hopefully, it will be in the near future.
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I agree. There are plenty of pilots willing to work for peanuts. My attempt is to help others see their self worth. When enough pilots won't accept $70k jobs, salaries will go up. We are getting there in the 121 world, but I am concerned for the 135 world. Where are new pilots going to get their 1500TT to get to the airlines? What are they willing to do to, at what price to get the 1500? That's right. Work for peanuts.

We are skilled laborers folks. Know what your skills are worth.

I prefer the new fangled horseless carriages, but they cost money.
 
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X-rated said:
If there were more pilots willing to move to Asia to find work, competition would increase, and my salary would go down. Currently, there aren't enough pilots willing to make that move, so my salary keeps going up. That's not the situation in the US yet. Hopefully, it will be in the near future.
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So true
 
fischman said:
I agree. There are plenty of pilots willing to work for peanuts. My attempt is to help others see their self worth. When enough pilots won't accept $70k jobs, salaries will go up. We are getting there in the 121 world, but I am concerned for the 135 world. Where are new pilots going to get their 1500TT to get to the airlines? What are they willing to do to, at what price to get the 1500? That's right. Work for peanuts.

We are skilled laborers folks. Know what your skills are worth.

I prefer the new fangled horseless carriages, but they cost money.
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Just curious. How many hours did you have when you landed your first job (instructor not included)? How much did you work for?

1000s were attracted to aviation because of the pay, lifestyle, and benefits of the 121 world during the regulated years. Very few were able to get there except for primarily military pilots and some lucky general aviation folks. What destroyed 121 compensation was the regional industry (inexpensive way to gain experience), bankruptcies, deregulation resulting in low cost upstarts (an abundance of experienced pilots from the previous category, Braniff, Old Continental, Eastern to fill the new seats.), and several economic downturns where furloughed pilots went to the aforementioned jobs. It will be a long time before the tide turns. I wouldn't expend too much energy on this. There will always be someone willing to do your job for less as long as it is relatively easy to become minimally qualified.
 
fischman said:
I agree. There are plenty of pilots willing to work for peanuts. My attempt is to help others see their self worth. When enough pilots won't accept $70k jobs, salaries will go up. We are getting there in the 121 world, but I am concerned for the 135 world. Where are new pilots going to get their 1500TT to get to the airlines? What are they willing to do to, at what price to get the 1500? That's right. Work for peanuts.

We are skilled laborers folks. Know what your skills are worth.

I prefer the new fangled horseless carriages, but they cost money.
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Knowing there will be massive movement in the airlines, most kids just coming into aviation will work for peanuts in an effort to get as many hours as quickly as possible to get on the gravy train. Just how it is.
 

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