captjorge74
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~~~^~~~ said:I am surprised at what management offered. The pay rates are a sore spot, but not outside the very low edge of economic reality. However, the scope section renders our contract worthless because management can side step us and force us to "compete" any time they want. We have no choice but to vote no because of the scope language.
~~~^~~~ said:737Pylt - you must have retrieved your towl. Hard to quit, crackinfo isn't it?
I agree with you there, just not with your extortion!Again - Skywest management only owes their duty to the shareholders. ALPA owes a duty to us, the pilots who pay for ALPA.
Come on dude, where do you come up with this stuff?? Is this from the same book where the DL mec is trying to take away your pass privileges. You have been caught in so many lies!We only worried about DL scope language after it destroyed our scope language. ALPA filed two lawsuits seeking to park ASA and Comair airplanes long before the RJDC was ever thought about.
Then quit trying to extort it!On a local level, ALPA does an excellent job for the ASA pilots. ALPA only fails us when ALPA is under orders from the DL MEC to take action contrary to ALPA's duty to the ASA pilots. We have seen the system work and fail often enough to anticipate its operation.
At least we can agree to disagree.Now come on, lets quit going in circles. Let us not discourage others from using this forum because we have an intractible arguement that is going to get solved at the courthouse. If we could solve it on this board, it would have been fixed back in 1999. If and when we brave Patriots take ALPA back from the hijackers and restore this profession, I'll buy you a beer, Mint Julip, or whatever you frat boys are drinking these days.
Fall 2005 "Roar" published using ALPA funds:737 Pylt said:Come on dude, where do you come up with this stuff?? Is this from the same book where the DL mec is trying to take away your pass privileges. You have been caught in so many lies!
737
The date publication of the comments from LEC 44 Leadership pre dated DL's action announcing the loss of pass benefits by 5 business days. You claim there is no link, but obviously members of the Delta MEC were talking to Delta management about the subject and went as far as to brag about it in writing. As to the litigation funded by ALPA trying to park ASA and Comair jets, here is press coverage of those events:"I wonder if our former "wholly owned subsidiary" is going to retain date-of-hire passes and continue to bump hard-working Delta folks off their own airplanes?"
And the otherhttp://www.cincypost.com/business/1999/delta042799.html
The union representing Delta Air Lines' 9,000 pilots is suing the airline in a New York federal court over plans to use regional jets flown by Comair on a Washington, D.C.-to-Boston shuttle service.
Everyone on this board can Google these to find out more and decide for themselves who is telling the truth. By the way, ALPA lost both of those actions. ASA did operate athe BAE with up to 105 seats and Comair operated the Shuttle until it was voluntarily pulled down by DL management to appease ALPA.Atlanta based, Atlantic Southeast Airline's (ASA) announcement that it will leases 5 BAe 146-200 jets, with an option to lease 15 more, is an area of increasing friction. The BAe 146 aircraft has a maximum seating capacity of 108 seat, although ASA. plans to operate it with only 88 seats. Traditionally, Delta Connection Operators have flown smaller commuter aircraft of 70 seats or less. Pilots fear that Delta; which owns 22 percent of ASA., will transfer over less profitable routes; meaning fewer flights for Delta pilots. Captain Cameron Foster, charges...
"The pilot's contract clearly forbids feeder carrier flights of more than 70 seats. Those bigger airplanes should be considered direct competition and a threat to our market! Furthermore, this action is in direct violation of our Scope Clause and we are going to proceed with legal means to stop it!" (DALPA. Hotline)
As promised, on August 2, 1995, The Air Lines Pilots Association, which represents the 8,600 Delta Pilots, filed for an injunction against Delta Air Lines Inc. in Los Angles, California's Federal District Court. The lawsuit, is an attempt to prevent Delta from transferring operations of large jet aircraft to Delta Connection Carriers, that use the Delta name and marketing presence, but not its pilots. Delta officials insist that they have no control over ASA. In addition, they contend that ASA decision to lease jet aircraft has absolutely no bearing on contract negotiations with Delta Pilots. Management also made it very clear that the pilots were aware of the fact that transferring operations to "Delta Connection Carriers" was always a possibility under Leadership 7.5. Apparently, Delta's pilot's disagree. Captain W.R. Brown. Chairman of the ALPA Unit, at Delta stated.
Sigh...This is getting old. We've been down this road too many times. Did the MEC try to revoke your privileges, or just DOH off DL airplanes? Sorry, but you're no longer wholly owned, and you no longer deserve DOH on DL airplanes, just like DL doesn't deserve DOH on ASA planes. I'll time your answer with a calender!~~~^~~~ said:Fall 2005 "Roar" published using ALPA funds:
The date publication of the comments from LEC 44 Leadership pre dated DL's action announcing the loss of pass benefits by 5 business days. You claim there is no link, but obviously members of the Delta MEC were talking to Delta management about the subject and went as far as to brag about it in writing. As to the litigation funded by ALPA trying to park ASA and Comair jets, here is press coverage of those events:
And the other Everyone on this board can Google these to find out more and decide for themselves who is telling the truth.
It was DL's position that they own all the flying, including our code share (and I grant that they do pay for the flight). If I fail to make the distinction between the loss of our pass benefits and pass benefits with a priority behind your ex-wife's, children's buddies, on spring break, forgive me.737 Pylt said:Did the MEC try to revoke your privileges, or just DOH off DL airplanes? Sorry, but you're no longer wholly owned, and you no longer deserve DOH on DL airplanes, just like DL doesn't deserve DOH on ASA planes.
737
~~~^~~~ said:It was DL's position that they own all the flying, including our code share (and I grant that they do pay for the flight). If I fail to make the distinction between the loss of our pass benefits and pass benefits with a priority behind your ex-wife's, children's buddies, on spring break, forgive me.