What has ALPA done for me lately?

[Freight Dog]

The concern isn't now. It is 10-20 years from now and beyond...

Really? You have that much faith in ALPA to "take it back" as opposed to our counterparts overseas?

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

Wasnt Condi Rice down in Columbia a couple days ago discussing free trade act with them. Wow way to go Reps protecting that American worker. How about a little while ago Jesus Bush was down in India stating that we intended to import more jobs to India.

Wasn't King Hillary on the board at Wal-mart but dropped out when it became a political liability? Under Clinton's watch the proliferation of US jobs left and NO party has done anything to stop it or try to get it back. The Dems care about labor about as much as they do minorities. It is all lip service and symbolism. Both parties pimp off the hopes and fears.
PCL, I agree that politics has become "what can you do (or in some cases won't do!) for me?". Sad to see that the common Joe has stooped to that level though.

 

[BigMeat]

Wasn't King Hillary on the board at Wal-mart but dropped out when it became a political liability? Under Clinton's watch the proliferation of US jobs left and NO party has done anything to stop it or try to get it back. The Dems care about labor about as much as they do minorities. It is all lip service and symbolism. Both parties pimp off the hopes and fears.
PCL, I agree that politics has become "what can you do (or in some cases won't do!) for me?". Sad to see that the common Joe has stooped to that level though.

I hate Wal-Mart and really dislike the Clinton. Reality is however that our proffession has be protected more by Democrates than Republicans. If it was up to McCain pilots couldnt strike, if it was up to Bush there would be open skies with the rest of the world. Remember who brought you open skies. Right now its not looking too bad because our dollar is so misreably weak. Dont worry the corporations will take care of you.

 

[whymeworry?]

I would favor keeping ALPA in tact as a political and insurance organization to further the goals and interests of professional aviators. But as far as representing me as my union? Forget about it.

I've been screwed by ALPA too many times. I continue to wear my pin since I am a unionist at heart but a soon as efforts begin to rid ALPA from our property, I will support it and get involved.

You can thank Prater for that.

 

[PCL_128]

You can thank Prater for that.

If Prater is the problem (and he is), then you should work on getting rid of him instead of the union itself.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Really? You have that much faith in ALPA to "take it back" as opposed to our counterparts overseas?

My post was in response to the reality of the threat... not ALPA's capabilities...

 

[Freight Dog]

Rez, but is it really a threat?

 

[PCL_128]

Rez, but is it really a threat?

Many pilots in Russia work second jobs just to pay the bills. How happy do you think they'd be if they could get paid half of what we make to fly our old routes? Don't kid yourself. Just because some countries pay top dollar for American pilots right now doesn't mean that open skies wouldn't be a threat.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Many pilots in Russia work second jobs just to pay the bills. How happy do you think they'd be if they could get paid half of what we make to fly our old routes? Don't kid yourself. Just because some countries pay top dollar for American pilots right now doesn't mean that open skies wouldn't be a threat.

What you just described is exactly what has happened WITHIN ALPA.....ALPA members have been replacing each other for "half of what" was made to "fly the old routes"......If ALPA can't stop it's own membership from doing, then it sure as heck can't stop anyone else.....

Quit trying to find new problems to solve, when you can't solve the old problems.....If my job is replaced by Pinnacle, Mesa, or mainline for less than I currently do it, I don't really care who replaces them later on down the road....

 

[PCL_128]

Always a broken record with you, Joe. Always...

 

[JoeMerchant]

Always a broken record with you, Joe. Always...

That's right, because it is the same old thing over and over again.... ALPA members replace each other for "half the pay"..... ALPA fails to stop it.....Then ALPA says..forget about that.... we have to stop cabotage....because foreign pilots will replace us for half the pay...... News flash PCL....they already do, and they are wearing union pins......

How are you going to stop it internationally when you can't stop it domestically...???

The broken record is you and Rez.....well that is all the pilots fault....get behind ALPA so we can stop the next crises....even though we haven't stopped any of the current ones.....

 

[MINIME]

I hate Wal-Mart and really dislike the Clinton. Reality is however that our proffession has be protected more by Democrates than Republicans. If it was up to McCain pilots couldnt strike, if it was up to Bush there would be open skies with the rest of the world. Remember who brought you open skies. Right now its not looking too bad because our dollar is so misreably weak. Dont worry the corporations will take care of you.[/quote

Amen! Somebody that gets it. He's right about McCain. I like him as a person but I will not vote for him because he'll help to destroy my career even further.

I think that as Union workers, we are better off with the lesser of the two evils, the Democrats. Actions of the last 8 years speak for themselves. Mediators that won't release groups for self help, Judges that favor stripping workers of their life savings while executives come out with huge golden parachutes. I'm sorry, all that other stuff seems like smoke and mirrors if my paycheck is being affected. I will no longer vote with my emotions, rather with my career and my paycheck.:erm:

 

[737 Pylt]

That's right, because it is the same old thing over and over again.... ALPA members replace each other for "half the pay".....

YGTBFSM!
This from a guy who's an officer in a group who "sued" to do just the same thing!
GMAFB!

ALPA fails to stop it.....Then ALPA says..forget about that.... we have to stop cabotage....because foreign pilots will replace us for half the pay...... News flash PCL....they already do, and they are wearing union pins......

Same old John, different day!

How are you going to stop it internationally when you can't stop it domestically...???

How about a $$multimillion lawsuit, after all, it works so well and pilots always make out on that deal right?

The broken record is you and Rez.....well that is all the pilots fault....get behind ALPA so we can stop the next crises....even though we haven't stopped any of the current ones.....

No, the broken record is YOU John! Still up to your baby tactics! No wonder you can't get hired anywhere but ASA!
Give it up John, your baby tactics don't work! ITs obvious you can't play nice in the sandbox, so just take your ball home (sound like some of your MEC meetings and stealing notes )and please, for the love of GOD, don't come back!

737

 

[JoeMerchant]

YGTBFSM!
This from a guy who's an officer in a group who "sued" to do just the same thing!
GMAFB!
737

Seems to be getting to you....

RJDC didn't "sue to do just the same thing"..... Those of us at ASA and CMR have already replaced mainline pilots for less pay.....These jobs we do were mainline jobs....Your just too stupid to realize that the damage has already been done......

The Delta seniority list is about 3500 pilots less than it was 7 years ago.....Replacement has been going on and continues to go on.....

Forgive me if I don't get to worked up about a possible replacement problem 5 years down the road...ALPA can't even deal with the current problem....

My job already is a Delta replacement job.....Many union and non-union pilots are trying to replace my current job....even you mainline folks have resorted to underbidding regional rates in order to "recapture" the flying......

Just wait till the next round of mergers in a downward economy with 100 dollar oil....It's going to be a bloodbath.....amongst "union brothers"......

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez, but is it really a threat?

On crewroom.alpa.org is a relatively new link... NAM IFLAPA.... NAM = North American region...

Is it a threat.. I think it is...

consider spending a few minutes checking it out and choose for yourself....

 

[737 Pylt]

Seems to be getting to you....

RJDC didn't "sue to do just the same thing"..... Those of us at ASA and CMR have already replaced mainline pilots for less pay.....These jobs we do were mainline jobs....Your just too stupid to realize that the damage has already been done......

It's YOU'RE, you MORON!
And the only reason you're getting to me is that you play the same fiddle over and over again, acting like the spoiled little brat that you are! No wonder you are stuck at ASA while your f/o's are getting hired at other major/legacy carriers, while your career, much like your lawsuit has failed miserably!

The Delta seniority list is about 3500 pilots less than it was 7 years ago.....Replacement has been going on and continues to go on.....

Wow, and it seems like who got screwed? I've moved up over 4000 numbers in almost 7 years! What about you sport?

Forgive me if I don't get to worked up about a possible replacement problem 5 years down the road...ALPA can't even deal with the current problem....

And your solution....Stealing minutes and crying like the little child that you are? How's that working for ya?

My job already is a Delta replacement job.....

That's right John, and it exists because the PWA allows it! If anyone here should be mad, its the DAL pilots, yet you and the rest of the girls seem to be crying the loudest!

Many union and non-union pilots are trying to replace my current job....even you mainline folks have resorted to underbidding regional rates in order to "recapture" the flying......

Sounds like you need to get some "scope" of your own. Instead of trying to eliminate it, you should be trying to have it. But you're too stupid to realize that!

Just wait till the next round of mergers in a downward economy with 100 dollar oil....It's going to be a bloodbath.....amongst "union brothers"......

Then you and the rest of the girls in Cresent Springs can have your circle jerk all over again!:beer:

737

 

[PCL_128]

Your just too stupid...

It never fails...

 

[JoeMerchant]

On crewroom.alpa.org is a relatively new link... NAM IFLAPA.... NAM = North American region...

Is it a threat.. I think it is...

consider spending a few minutes checking it out and choose for yourself....

....so there is a threat of pilots replacing other pilots for less pay......say it ain't so.....

....I propose a study committee to study the issue immediately.....let's call it the BCIC (Bilateral Cabotage Impact Committee).....

......oh and pilots....when you get done cutting each others throats over age60, scope, mergers, and political endorsements.....we need to get involved....because this is all your fault and poor ALPA needs the help......

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

....so there is a threat of pilots replacing other pilots for less pay......say it ain't so.....

....I propose a study committee to study the issue immediately.....let's call it the BCIC (Bilateral Cabotage Impact Committee).....

......oh and pilots....when you get done cutting each others throats over age60, scope, mergers, and political endorsements.....we need to get involved....because this is all your fault and poor ALPA needs the help......

What is that in your hand Joe? A knife...? No..looks like a machete.... Joe the Ripper.....

When they hauled off Auburn Callaway he cried out that he was the victim.....

Are you a victim Joe? With that machete in your hand?

 

[JoeMerchant]

It's YOU'RE, you MORON!
And the only reason you're getting to me is that you play the same fiddle over and over again, acting like the spoiled little brat that you are! No wonder you are stuck at ASA while your f/o's are getting hired at other major/legacy carriers, while your career, much like your lawsuit has failed miserably!

You're right....I guess neither you or PCL has ever made a mistake on FI.....I'm glad the spelling police are out in force....

I don't have an app. with Delta....I can't afford the paycut....It's not worth it for me to wait 10 years to get back to even....I don't have BSJS (big shiny jet syndrome)

My FOs get back to even much quicker....they can have it....

Wow, and it seems like who got screwed? I've moved up over 4000 numbers in almost 7 years! What about you sport?

You "moved up over 4000 numbers in almost 7 years" because the senior folks at Delta took their retirement and bailed early.....With age65, a slipping economy, and a merger around the corner nobody is going to be moving up much....I guarantee the folks hired recently aren't going to move up 4000 numbers in the next 7 years.....