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And btw, McCain seems to have emerged as the Republican front runner. If he gets the nomination, I wonder how many airline pilots will vote Republican and shoot us all in the foot. I'll bet most. Airline pilots are stupid when it comes to politics. They vote with the heart, not the head or wallet. And certainly not the union card. You're wasting your time trying to convince them.
I'm not so sure that it's a waste of time. As you know, I was one of those people for years. I finally came to my senses, largely because of conversations with Rez.
 
Actually we do vote with our wallet.....The Dems. want to take more from our wallets than the Republicans do.....

According to the Dems, I am a "rich" person and my taxes need to go up....Sorry that's not good for my wallet.....

The harm to my wallet goes up if Hillary or Obama get in....

You don't think McCain with his anti labor rhetoric and baseball arbitration will hurt your bottom line more than a Dem tax hike? Listen carefully: we will lose the right to strike. I know you're enjoying that 100+ hour line... do you think the company gave us those rigs just because they like us so much?
 
And you don't think Obama has been bought?
I think the entire point of my post was that every politician has been bought, including Obama. The difference lies in who has been doing the buying of each candidate. In general, Dems have been bought by the special interests that will help organized labor and the middle class, and the Reps have been bought by the big business lobby that opposes our interests.
Hello, the BLACK LOBBY? Al Sharpton? Jesse Jackson? The man came to Atlanta on MLK day and said he would put a civil rights observer in every district to ensure "no black person gets harsher treatment than a white person". Translation: "we're gonna make the white man pay, just like we have all these years". Scary stuff. If Obama gets elected, we may be heading to a reverse apartheid.
Wow, that's some deep paranoia! I think the appropriate translation would be "we're going to make sure that scumbags like Bill Clinton and Rudy Guiliani don't try to stop minorities from voting." Reverse apartheid? I don't think so.
As a big fan of labor, I can't believe you aren't supporting Edwards. He is the true blue collar champion.
I was a big fan of Edwards. I was hoping he would have the ability to pull it off this time, but it just didn't happen. People are too focused on this grand idea of getting the first woman or the first black president. The white guy didn't seem to be an option to too many Dems. Because of that, I've had to choose between Obama and the Hilldabeast. I hate the Clintons with every ounce of my being, so the choice was easy.
 
Actually we do vote with our wallet.....The Dems. want to take more from our wallets than the Republicans do.....
You know that McCain opposed the tax cuts, right? Twice, in fact. McCain is not a fiscal conservative. In fact, I can't seem to figure out what kind of conservative he is at all. The only thing he seems to be "conservative" about is his pure unadulterated hatred for labor, especially pilots.
According to the Dems, I am a "rich" person and my taxes need to go up....Sorry that's not good for my wallet.....
I somehow doubt that you're making over $250k flying your ATR around. You wouldn't fall into anyone's definition of "rich." The only pilots that would are the guys working at FedEx and UPS. Everyone else makes far less than proposed cutoffs for the "rich" after calculating all deductions.
The harm to my wallet goes up if Hillary or Obama get in....
If a Dem helps you get a 15% payraise due to increased bargaining power and a friendly NMB, and then raises your tax rate by 5%, how has your wallet been harmed? Some of you guys focus so intently on a couple of points in the tax rate that you forget how much your actual pay and benefits are suffering due to decreased bargaining leverage.

Besides, the Dems are not going to raise your taxes!!!
 
I think the entire point of my post was that every politician has been bought, including Obama. The difference lies in who has been doing the buying of each candidate. In general, Dems have been bought by the special interests that will help organized labor and the middle class, and the Reps have been bought by the big business lobby that opposes our interests. Wow, that's some deep paranoia! I think the appropriate translation would be "we're going to make sure that scumbags like Bill Clinton and Rudy Guiliani don't try to stop minorities from voting." Reverse apartheid? I don't think so. I was a big fan of Edwards. I was hoping he would have the ability to pull it off this time, but it just didn't happen. People are too focused on this grand idea of getting the first woman or the first black president. The white guy didn't seem to be an option to too many Dems. Because of that, I've had to choose between Obama and the Hilldabeast. I hate the Clintons with every ounce of my being, so the choice was easy.

The quote I gave you was referring to the Federal Court system, not Clinton or Guiliani and voting.

He's talking about rigging the court system to "level the playing field" in the name of "fairness". That's a pretty big chip on his shoulder to assume that Federal judges are giving blacks harsher sentences than whites. Kinda smacks of Jesse "the man is keeping me down" Jackson, don't you think? Or was he just pandering? Either way, I don't think THIS black man is the right choice for the first black president (that should have been Colin Powell, in my opinion, but I digress).

As for Edwards, it ain't over yet. Super Tuesday will decide the race, especially if Edwards does well today in SC, as he's expected to. I know you're a GA resident like me, and I hope you don't write Edwards off too quickly. GA will most certainly go for Obama with the black vote alone. Edwards needs all the help he can get if for nothing else just to knock Hillary off.
 
The quote I gave you was referring to the Federal Court system, not Clinton or Guiliani and voting.
Sorry, I hadn't seen that quote before, so I just assumed he was referring to voting precincts. You have a link to an article with the full story?
As for Edwards, it ain't over yet. Super Tuesday will decide the race, especially if Edwards does well today in SC, as he's expected to.
My concern is that Edwards is pulling more votes from Obama than from Hillary, but it's just not enough to win the nomination. In the end, he's going to act as an Obama spoiler and give the nomination to Hillary. Even if he does very well in SC today, I think anything more than strong 3rd place finishes in a vast majority of the Feb 5th states is wishful thinking.
 
Sorry, I hadn't seen that quote before, so I just assumed he was referring to voting precincts. You have a link to an article with the full story?

It was in a recap of his speech at Ebenezer Baptist on Channel 2 news in ATL Monday night. Go ahead and research it.

My concern is that Edwards is pulling more votes from Obama than from Hillary, but it's just not enough to win the nomination. In the end, he's going to act as an Obama spoiler and give the nomination to Hillary. Even if he does very well in SC today, I think anything more than strong 3rd place finishes in a vast majority of the Feb 5th states is wishful thinking.

I disagree. Obama is pulling the black vote. Most likely, Hillary and Edwards will split the white vote and Obama will slide in. This is what concerns me. Anybody who truly wants to knock Hillary out should be supporting Edwards. Then vote for Obama in the general election if you want to. He'll probably get the nomination if she is knocked out.
 
I disagree. Obama is pulling the black vote. Most likely, Hillary and Edwards will split the white vote and Obama will slide in. This is what concerns me. Anybody who truly wants to knock Hillary out should be supporting Edwards. Then vote for Obama in the general election if you want to. He'll probably get the nomination if she is knocked out.
Interesting theory. Haven't heard that one before. Guess I've got a few weeks to consider it. I'm off for Super Tuesday, so I'll be voting.
 
But now, the industry is so fractured, nobody, especially ALPA, can put up any real resistance to the tidal wave of cheap airline labor approaching our shores. We are the next shipping industry and ALPA is fiddling while Rome burns.

British Airways Pilots Request Mutual Assistance
North American and EU Pilots Vow to Work Together on Emerging Global Issues.
Prompted by management’s failure to use British Airways (BA) pilots to staff the airline’s new subsidiary carrier OpenSkies, IFALPA made a request for mutual assistance to ALPA pilots this week on behalf of the British Airline Pilots’ Association (BALPA).
“The 60,000 pilots of ALPA share BALPA pilots’ concerns, and we stand side by side with our colleagues across the Atlantic,” said ALPA’s president, Capt. John Prater. BALPA, which represents nearly all of BA’s 3,200 pilots, is to ballot for strike action following weeks of unsuccessful negotiations with the airline.
“OpenSkies is being set up with BA money, will fly BA planes, and draw on the BA brand; and a brand is more than a tailfin, it is about its people and the BA pilot community is making a stand to protect that brand,” said BALPA General Secretary Jim McAuslan in a statement issued to the news media this week.
BALPA’s request was one of many issues discussed at a recent joint meeting between ALPA and the European Cockpit Association (ECA). The meeting, which was held on January 24 at ALPA’s Virginia offices, centered on enhancing collaboration between North American and European pilots on all global issues, including the upcoming second round of air transport service negotiations.
“Whether in the United Kingdom, the rest of Europe, or the United States, pilots face similar challenges in the global airline industry,” Capt. Martin Chalk, European Cockpit Association president, said at the meeting. “The best way to meet the challenges of our profession is for pilots to develop our own solutions and work together to make them a reality.”
“Working together to resolve challenges is what union pilots do, whether it’s across a tarmac or across an ocean,” said ALPA’s first vice-president, Capt. Paul Rice. “We must address the singular concern that the OpenSkies airline presents to our BALPA brothers and sisters and also future issues that may arise from the continued U.S.-EU negotiations.”
Chalk was joined by Capt. Carlos Salas, ECA chairman of external relations; ECA Secretary-General Phillip von Schöppenthau; and ECA Policy Advisor Céline Canu. In addition to Rice, ALPA participants included Ana McAhron-Schulz, director of the Economic and Financial Analysis Department, Russ Bailey, senior attorney in the Legal Department. Due to a previous commitment, Capt. Rick Dominguez, chairman of ALPA’s International Affairs Committee, was unable to attend.
 
ALPA cheerleader translation:

When ALPA achieves a victory it's because ALPA is a far superior organization that "achieves victories in spite of the apathetic membership"......

When ALPA loses, it all the fault of the "membership"...

Any wonder the boss (membership) is getting tired and more apathetic.....

I guess it is just me...

I thought the membership was the power base at ALPAand american democracies... that the membership was actually the leadership... well... maybe if they particapted...

I thought leaders took all the blame and gave credit to others that did all the work....

Consider that.... the membership taking the leadership role and direct the elected reps.....




Our expectations of ALPA is and should be is so unrealistic.....

Consider.... where did those expectations come from? Are they valid.... if so.....why.
 
British Airways Pilots Request Mutual Assistance
North American and EU Pilots Vow to Work Together on Emerging Global Issues.
Prompted by management’s failure to use British Airways (BA) pilots to staff the airline’s new subsidiary carrier OpenSkies, IFALPA made a request for mutual assistance to ALPA pilots this week on behalf of the British Airline Pilots’ Association (BALPA).
“The 60,000 pilots of ALPA share BALPA pilots’ concerns, and we stand side by side with our colleagues across the Atlantic,” said ALPA’s president, Capt. John Prater. BALPA, which represents nearly all of BA’s 3,200 pilots, is to ballot for strike action following weeks of unsuccessful negotiations with the airline.
“OpenSkies is being set up with BA money, will fly BA planes, and draw on the BA brand; and a brand is more than a tailfin, it is about its people and the BA pilot community is making a stand to protect that brand,” said BALPA General Secretary Jim McAuslan in a statement issued to the news media this week.
BALPA’s request was one of many issues discussed at a recent joint meeting between ALPA and the European Cockpit Association (ECA). The meeting, which was held on January 24 at ALPA’s Virginia offices, centered on enhancing collaboration between North American and European pilots on all global issues, including the upcoming second round of air transport service negotiations.
“Whether in the United Kingdom, the rest of Europe, or the United States, pilots face similar challenges in the global airline industry,” Capt. Martin Chalk, European Cockpit Association president, said at the meeting. “The best way to meet the challenges of our profession is for pilots to develop our own solutions and work together to make them a reality.”
“Working together to resolve challenges is what union pilots do, whether it’s across a tarmac or across an ocean,” said ALPA’s first vice-president, Capt. Paul Rice. “We must address the singular concern that the OpenSkies airline presents to our BALPA brothers and sisters and also future issues that may arise from the continued U.S.-EU negotiations.”
Chalk was joined by Capt. Carlos Salas, ECA chairman of external relations; ECA Secretary-General Phillip von Schöppenthau; and ECA Policy Advisor Céline Canu. In addition to Rice, ALPA participants included Ana McAhron-Schulz, director of the Economic and Financial Analysis Department, Russ Bailey, senior attorney in the Legal Department. Due to a previous commitment, Capt. Rick Dominguez, chairman of ALPA’s International Affairs Committee, was unable to attend.

I shoulda known I could count on ALPA's biggest cheerleader to provide a contrary opinion. Actually, you didn't really provide an opinion, you just cut and pasted a press release.

Now, I'm sure you and I were at the same BOD meeting their the "international panel" discussed international issues and pledged each other undying support.

The press release you quote is just more of the same: more IFALPA kumbaya B.S. and means nothing in reality, where greedy politicians with the money airline lobbies have supplied them are making the decisions. IFALPA notwithstanding.
 
You don't think McCain with his anti labor rhetoric and baseball arbitration will hurt your bottom line more than a Dem tax hike? Listen carefully: we will lose the right to strike. I know you're enjoying that 100+ hour line... do you think the company gave us those rigs just because they like us so much?

1. We already don't have much of a right to strike....The RLA makes that difficult EVEN UNDER A DEMOCRAT.....I sat in the Clinton NMB offices and listened to the DEMOCRATIC NMB Chair (and former AFA MEC Chairwoman) tell us we wouldn't be allowed to strike.......

2. Even if we were allowed to strike, and raise pay....without solving the internal scope/whipsaw issue, I don't want to push pay up much....It only results in being replaced by someone cheaper....usually a fellow "union" member....

3. What got us this contract and Contract '98? In both cases, it wasn't a release.....Flying by the book is far more effective than a strike.....You still get paid.....A pen in the hand of a captain is more effective than even a Democratic NMB....
 
What got us this contract and Contract '98? In both cases, it wasn't a release.....Flying by the book is far more effective than a strike.....You still get paid.....A pen in the hand of a captain is more effective than even a Democratic NMB....
And look how long it took that to work!!! Well over five years for your fellow pilots to finally start working to rule, and you even publicly stated that you weren't participating in it yourself. A release after a reasonable amount of time (2-3 years) is far preferable, and only a possibility with a friendly NMB.
 

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