What do you think will happen to ASA?

[Speedtape]

Skywest, Inc. can transfer the airplanes now. They don't have to wait until our contract is finished. They quit transferring them because it costs them millions and that threat campaign failed, just like the closing of SLC. WE MAKE MONEY.

The plan to spread the DCI flying in ATL was made when Delta got the bill from the Comair strike. No carrier will ever have the adverse impact on Delta, again, that Comair had. Anyone who tries, will be vaporized with less impact on Delta.

Soon, ASA will just be another small jet provider flying into and out of ATL along with the other 9 or so. Get used to it! Any new airplanes we gain, post contract, will be a swap for 200's just like the Comair deal. The G.O. is history as soon as the lease runs out next year. Most of the business functions are in St. George. B.L. and C.T. will walk away with their million dollar stock compensation, and we may be called SkyEast.

In this world of small jet providers, the idea of scope is a joke. You buy it by being the second lowest provider in DCI. If you want it, then give them low fixed costs with a long contract. That is really the only option you have for job protection long term. But once you agree to it, others will follow to be competitive. Folk's, this an airline managment's dream--reversed pattern bargaining or more commonly known as "the race to the bottom!"

 

[goahead]

The company can agree to protect your job if you agree to a cost effective contract. (See: Mesa, CHQ, Eagle) We need to decide, and soon, what we want.

CHQ and Eagle make more than us on average, hell a 7yr CA on the 50 seater makes five dollars more an hour than us at both places..... Were you comparing pay rates only? I agree we need to decide and now.

 

[jegermeister]

Skywest, Inc. can transfer the airplanes now. They don't have to wait until our contract is finished.

Two words.

Status Quo


Two reasons why you're wrong.
1. Status quo has kept them from raping this place. As of yet we haven't seen any aircraft leave the property. We lost firm orders, but not airplanes. We lost 70's but gained 50's. That's why ALPA has not made an issue of it.
2. We don't make profits. Skywest Inc. makes profits. And if they want to transfer their flying to a non union group, they'll do it when they can. For the money making reason and the keeping ALPA off the property reason.

 

[Speedtape]

Two words.

Status Quo


Two reasons why you're wrong.
1. Status quo has kept them from raping this place. As of yet we haven't seen any aircraft leave the property. We lost firm orders, but not airplanes. We lost 70's but gained 50's. That's why ALPA has not made an issue of it.
2. We don't make profits. Skywest Inc. makes profits. And if they want to transfer their flying to a non union group, they'll do it when they can. For the money making reason and the keeping ALPA off the property reason.

Two reasons why I may not be wrong:

1. Status Quo--shhhhh--That term is arbitrary and largely unenforceable. There are court decisions that favor management in the transferring of assets. Status Quo has no teeth in this issue. They can transfer every last airplane they want, as long as they can show economic benefits to the parent company.

2. I would disagree on technicalities on this point. Skywest, Inc., compared to a battery and ECU in electrical terms, does NO work in directly producing power/money. They simply store the power (money), until it is needed and decide where it goes. ASA and Skywest Airlines, in electrical terms, are both generators and conduits. They do all work in producing the power (money). The power (money) is then channeled back to the battery for storage and used by the ECU.

Skywest Airlines and ASA both make money. However, with consolidated reporting, it is now impossible to determine who makes what. That's what makes profit sharing a pie in the sky.

 

[79%N1]

This is why we need to decide what is most important to this pilot group, and settle for that. At first it was QOL. We took 3-4 years getting mostly what we want there. Then it became industry leading pay and full retro, then we decide we want (need) job protection/scope. Most feel that scope is very unobtainable or unenforceable......so lets drop it then. They have come up to Skywest rates. If we drop some other requests, the company can come above Skywest a little. What do we want most? More pay? Full reto? Scope? We need to direct the MEC, because we cannot achieve all of it. And the longer they pursue it all, the longer it will take.

 

[goahead]

Even if we get 100% "scope" it's only as good as the paper its written on.... Not worth it

 

[79%N1]

Ok, so then why hold up negotiations further trying to get it?

 

[~~~^~~~]

That is rediculous. If scope is only worth the paper it is written on, then pay rates, quality of life, insurance, bidding, scheduling and the rest of the contract are worth the same amount, or less. Remember without scope there is nothing binding the Company to the pilots covered by the contract.

The only thing that gives a contract any ability to bind the Company is that glue called scope.

 

[Flyer1015]

CHQ and Eagle make more than us on average, hell a 7yr CA on the 50 seater makes five dollars more an hour than us at both places

Hate to break it to ya, but there are NO 7 yr Eagle jet captains.

I believe the most junior Eagle jet captain is an early '99 DOH.

 

[goahead]

Hate to break it to ya, but there are NO 7 yr Eagle jet captains.

I believe the most junior Eagle jet captain is an early '99 DOH.

Well you know what I mean.....