What do Netjets guys do on long flights

[Fozzy]

Doesn't the iPod come through a seperate headset or earpiece than the aviation headset potentially blocking out aircraft comm in that ear vs. listening to the ADF, HF and VHF at the same time in one headset which is entirely possible?

No. Mine cuts out the Ipod when there is a transmission on the radio or when the guy next to me says something.
It is much much better than the ADF/HF.
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[illeagle]

If you can do the job with tunes playing, i don't see what the problem is. Doug Masters flew like a madman in Iron Eagle even though Chappy told him to turn his music off. What would Doug Masters do?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF6R1sJrWPk

 

[Bullitt]

If you can do the job with tunes playing, i don't see what the problem is. Doug Masters flew like a madman in Iron Eagle even though Chappy told him to turn his music off. What would Doug Masters do?
http://www.flixster.com/video.do?videoId=10904613&gallery=movieVideos11031

LMAO! WWDMD? God I hate that movie :laugh:

 

[acaTerry]

Chuck Norris would not approve.

 

[Twotter76]

Chuck Norris doesn't need an iPod. iPods need Chuck Norris.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Chuck Norris doesn't need an iPod. iPods need Chuck Norris.

Chuck Norris doesn't need anything to need Chuck Norris.

 

[realityman]

ACA, you make many good points. I agree with some and disagree with others. Ah well, that's the way it goes.

But it's a bit hypocritical, don't you think, to make jabs at people you claim need electronic stimulation 24 hours a day, when you yourself have almost 1800 posts on this message board?

I always enjoyed a little light music in the background from my Ipod (I NEVER watched movies on it in flight!). The ear buds fit under the headset and the wires paralleled the headset wires, so I doubt anyone noticed. It kept me alert on the longer flights. And I honestly don't recall ever missing a radio call because of it. But then again, I didn't listen to it at deafness-incurring levels.

However, company policy is what I operate under. I have no intention of risking a great job and six-figure salary over an Ipod. So now it stays tucked away in my jacket until I'm away from the plane. Sigh.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Do what you wish, but policy is policy and I am not going to sacrafice my Captain's pay (which I worked so hard for) so my F/O can listen to AeroSmith!!!!

Turn it off........plain and simple

Don't want to turn it off....explain it to the ACP....you're not worth it.

That's cool. As long as you or any other captain is actually telling your FO or co-captain that you are your not agreeable to the listening of IPODS.
A person that simply tattles on their partner is a spineless, worthless POS and deserves to be hung by their scrot.

 

[learflyer]

I don't know, i'm old school I guess. The ipod or any other mp3 should not be in the cockpit. Leave it in your bag to work out with. Why would you risk a good job like NJA with the ipod? You never know when an owner is going come up from the back to surprize you. One guy might be checking the windshield heat system with his cheek (resting), while the guy with the ipod is bobbing his head to the music. All it takes is one owner to freak! Just my two cents.

 

[illeagle]

I'm sure I'm not the only one who cracked the code. Just don't bob your head and you should be good to go.
www.uflymike.com

put the pod in your pocket. If the owner is feeling around in your pocket, that is a whole new pay grade that I am not privy to.

keep the volume reasonable so you don't miss radio calls.
Also, I find instrumental music is much better suited for radio awareness. Have fun out there.

 

[skiandsurf]

I don't know, i'm old school I guess. .

I dont understand these guys that feel the need to listen to music ALL the time (walking thru the terminal, flying). Maybe I'm old school, but music just isnt that important to me. Most of todays music is crap anyway.

And agreed, if the company policy prohibits their use, dont do it....it aint worth it.

 

[fischman]

Most of todays music is crap anyway.

The amazing thing about mp3 players nowadays is that they can play older music too.

 

[FLYLOW22]

The amazing thing about mp3 players nowadays is that they can play older music too.

Really?

 

[Hugh Johnson]

Do what you wish, but policy is policy and I am not going to sacrafice my Captain's pay (which I worked so hard for) so my F/O can listen to AeroSmith!!!!

Turn it off........plain and simple

Don't want to turn it off....explain it to the ACP....you're not worth it.

You've got some senior FO's.

 

[acaTerry]

But it's a bit hypocritical, don't you think, to make jabs at people you claim need electronic stimulation 24 hours a day, when you yourself have almost 1800 posts on this message board?

In what, 11 years? That's not so bad. I average only about 1.5 hrs a week in here cumulatively. Most of that is on my 3 hour show-go leads for a 7 hour hot spare period anyways.
Anyways, like I said, it's not as much the iPod as it is that our owners pay LOTS of money for pilots to NOT listen to iPods in flight. Right or wrong, they perceive it as better piloting, and that's what they pay for. That's all I'm saying here. Personally, on ferry legs I could give a flip, so long as I'm not flying with someone who "shuts down" when his iPod is on. I hate that look of "do not disturb" that appears when they plug in, so I can sit there twiddling my thumbs the whole week. Just plain rude.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

It's a requirement of our job, in the FOM approved by the FAA.

Wrong the FOM is accepted not approved. Big difference. If there is a conflict between the FOM and FARs then the FARs win.

 

[dc9]

Wrong the FOM is accepted not approved. Big difference. If there is a conflict between the FOM and FARs then the FARs win.

Are you sure about that? I thought it was always the most restrictive of the two. Regardless, I don't think your reasoning would be accepted by a CP if you violate the FOM, but not an FAR.

 

[gunfyter]

In any case... leaving the cockpit to attend to pax is not in the FOM.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Personally, on ferry legs I could give a flip, so long as I'm not flying with someone who "shuts down" when his iPod is on. I hate that look of "do not disturb" that appears when they plug in, so I can sit there twiddling my thumbs the whole week. Just plain rude.

Awwww. That's so cute. Do you need a hug?
:nuts:

 

[be-400xpdriver]

Are you sure about that? I thought it was always the most restrictive of the two. Regardless, I don't think your reasoning would be accepted by a CP if you violate the FOM, but not an FAR.

Thats what I was trying to say. Most restrictive wins.

 

[CA1900]

Yep, look for the [R] -- those are based in regulation/ops specs. Our uniform vendor is listed in the FOM, too, but I'm quite sure the FAA doesn't really care.

 

[realityman]

In what, 11 years? That's not so bad. I average only about 1.5 hrs a week in here cumulatively. Most of that is on my 3 hour show-go leads for a 7 hour hot spare period anyways.
Anyways, like I said, it's not as much the iPod as it is that our owners pay LOTS of money for pilots to NOT listen to iPods in flight. Right or wrong, they perceive it as better piloting, and that's what they pay for. That's all I'm saying here. Personally, on ferry legs I could give a flip, so long as I'm not flying with someone who "shuts down" when his iPod is on. I hate that look of "do not disturb" that appears when they plug in, so I can sit there twiddling my thumbs the whole week. Just plain rude.

Well, if someone chooses to have a conversation with you or not on long flights is a personal thing, and may not be related to Ipods.

As for the rest of it, do owners pay us to discuss our families and kids on flights? How about politics? Women and dating? How to save the world with alternative energy? Do they pay us to tune into AM stations on the ADF and listen to that?

I know what the regs say about when a sterile cockpit is required, but that's not what I'm talking about. We're talking about cruise flight here.

I can also honestly tell you that I've missed more radio calls discussing the aforementioned topics, along with company and union things, than I ever missed with my Ipod playing softly in the background (NEVER missed a call when just listening to the Ipod!).

But, as previously mentioned by myself, company policy says no more Ipods, and I simply won't risk a great job over an Ipod. Therefore, goodbye music.

As for conversation, you must be one talkative guy! I can tell you that on those long transcons, most of the time we just run out of things to talk about a couple hours into the flight. Especially after we've been with each other for several days on long flights.

And sometimes, it really is nice just to hear quiet. If I fly with you and give you a "don't talk to me look" at some point, maybe, just maybe it's not because I'm a mental midget when it comes to conversation. Maybe I have some things I'd prefer to think about uninterrupted without figuring out how to save the world with you, or lamenting all the shortcomings in our contract. Or maybe I'm just talked out and was wishing I could listen to some nice music.

 

[av8tor4239]

Let me guess....REGIONAL PILOT in past life?

Let me guess terry.. ACA in your past life???

the regional has not changed that much from when you worked there.... same bs job with the same bs people.. and you were one of them.. work on your denial..

and from 2001 to now is 7 years not 11

 

[DObyDEFAULT]

Fired

I sold all of your planes....YOU ARE ALL FIRED


M.S.

 

[acaTerry]

Man, I must be talking the most sensitive people on earth here...
Plain and simple: Use of iPods (included as PEDs) is prohibited in the FOM which even refers you to the applicable FARs that define use. You're all big kids who know how to use the FOM so look it up if you want.
PLEASE read the entire thread before you start sniffling about the regional pilot remark, it'll clear up SO much.
Fact is, iPods do not belong in the cockpit. Cruise flight, who cares? Am I going to turn you in for it? No, who would? But below FL180 it should be off.
I've been bitten once from someone using these things and that's my yardstick from now on. If you just can't go on without your precious iPod for flight, then you are pathetic indeed. No I don't need a hug. I am the most non-uptight guy you'll ever fly with, but once someone screws me, I avoid it for later.
Rub the little tears from your eyes and suck your thumb, but don't jump on me because I, like the owners, expect a little more from you.
:smash:

 

[acaTerry]

Let me guess terry.. ACA in your past life???
You must be a detective....

the regional has not changed that much from when you worked there.... same bs job with the same bs people.. and you were one of them.. work on your denial..
No denial, but regional pilots HAVE changed from the 90's.

and from 2001 to now is 7 years not 11
2008 - 1997 = 11
If I recall right (and I may be wrong), Mark ran this site since then but it was not "that" big back then. I had a different username back then.

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[realityman]

Talk about sensitive! Sheesh!!

"If you miss a radio call and I have to deal with a pissed controller, I'm gonna hold a grudge forever!!"

Did I get that right ACA?

Just for the record, and to repeat myself, I completely agree with you that since the company has specifically denied the use of Ipods, people should no longer use them.

As for what the owners want, you still haven't addressed the fact that I doubt they'd approve of us missing radio calls due to deep involvement in conversation. Yet you don't have a problem with that. As long as it helps stimulate YOU, right? If the other guy is doing something to keep himself alert, but maybe doesn't involve you, then it's not acceptable. In fact, it's rude.

Am I pretty much hitting the high points of your argument?

To recap your side: Don't do things that are prohibited by the FOM and FAR's (I agree completely).
Also, don't do anything to keep yourself awake unless it involves you (mmmm.......I'll have to think on that one).

 

[learflyer]

arguing about ipods in the cockpit.......What are Orville and Wilbur thinking right now?

 

[Jafo73]

arguing about ipods in the cockpit.......What are Orville and Wilbur thinking right now?

iPod? What the heck is an iPod?

 

[jppt2000]

On the union messageboard

It would be interesting to see how this thread would progress on the union website, where everyone knows each others identity.