What am I striking for?

[av8tor4239]

Everyone has to remember several factors:

First, Pilots dont buy nor do they position airframes... If we are going to lose half of our fleet, no matter what we get paid it is going to happen. (Comair is the perfect example).

Second, you might get your little captains pay raise on the 50, but what if managments plan is to get rid of the 50's in the next 5 years and now the LOW rate that was negotiated in for the 700 is all we have in 5 years. Now where are you going to be.. you will be an UNDER PAID 700 driver, AKA: WHORE

I guess the point is that it is all smoke and mirrors and LIES. ASA pilot cost are the lowest in the industry on the CRJ 200, and second lowest behind MESA on the CRJ 700 (source: Aviation Daily posted all over the lounges).

BOTTOM LINE... This job is not worth doing for anything less.

OhPlease!, you say forget about FO pay and QOL because no one is going to be an FO for very long... WELL YOU ARE WRONG... I am on my 4th year as an FO with 150+ numbers from the most JR possible upgrade... Now that we have a base closing and a possible job action...... (can you say american eagle)... It is going to be a while...

I plan on buying a house, getting married and starting my 30's... If I have to unload trucks at Home Depot while on strike, then so be it, but I will be the FIRST ONE IN LINE to vote YES to a strike. I am doing it for my family, my future, and for all that come behind me in Seniority..... Someone before me did it, and someone before them did it.. THat is wat made this job desireable in the first place...

If ASA or who ever we are in 12 months shuts thier doors, then it wasnt ment to be.. PILOTS DONT RUN AIRLINES.. MANGAMENT RUNS AIRLINES AND OUR MANAGMENT WILL RUN US INTO THE GROUND OR MAKE US THE BEST PLACE ON EARTH TO WORK!

Also remember that every other employee group at ASA is getting PROFIT sharing checks and ontime bonuses except for the union represented labor.... So if we are so bad off and the PROFITS are not there, Where in the hell is this PROFIT sharing money coming from?


VOTE YES, OR YOU WILL BE THE NEXT MONKEY IN SPACE

 

[Redan]

Thank you Av8tor for nailing it right on the head! Newer guys: PLEASE PAY ATTENTION!

 

[ASADriver]

Yes it is correct. Do you think that maybe management has not updated that web site? It IS run by them you know. I know what is on the table because I have talked to the people that are sitting at the table. Have you?

OK ATR, how come the union blastmail with the open item list doesn't show section 8 as being an open item. It also doesn't show underblock as an open item. That is from the union. Something doesn't add up.

 

[atrdriver]

You will notice that there is a disclaimer on that list. It says this list is provided as a summary, and does not show all open items. Maybe when they were typing up their summary they decided that the issues that they reported were of a higher priority. As you have shown us, many can only absorb a limited amount of information. If you want the whole story, then call someone on the CNC. Personally I have talked face to face with them, but I'm sure a phone call would suffice. But wait, you don't believe that anything that management does is wrong, and you believe that they don't ever lie to us, so it would probably be a wasted call for you.

 

[JoeMerchant]

You answered your own question. The reason for a strike is the lack of SCOPE language. Scope defines which flying is done by ASA pilots. Scope provides protections for ASA pilots if we get bought by another carrier. Scope provides jobs for pilots if the acquiring airline up and decides to transfer flying.

I am striking for scope and will not vote for a contract which does not bind Skywest. The pay rates are absolutely inconsequential to our pilots if Skywest "does what they want with the airplanes" without regard for the pilots who fly them.

Scope allows a union to create a monopoly on labor - forcing the company to use its pilots. It is the best leverage in the union tool box and is the legal concept wich allowed the formation of unions to begin with.

The 5 year plan for ASA is for there to be no ASA. Jerry Atkin has stripped and shut down every company he has bought. (My FSDO sources tell me it is more like a 2 1/2 year plan). Some ASA pilots would like a place flying their airplanes, even at Skywest. Scope defines how that gets accomplished.

We need scope which binds Skywest. We do not have ALPA National's support on this goal and about half the CNC is wishy washy because ALPA National is wishy washy on scope (because ALPA National really doesn't give a crud about ASA) We have some good junior members of the CNC and hopefully they will hold the line on this important issue.

I'm not optimistic. After 7 years I am sending out applications.... But again, scope is the reason to strike.

Good points Fins. Several of the MEC members and CNC members have said that we are not going to get scope that binds the holding company. They have said this based on advice from ALPA national.

If that is true, then how did Mesa bind Mesa Air Group and bring the CCAir and Freedom pilots onto the same seniority list? If that is true, then how did the CHQ pilots bind Republic to form a single list between the CHQ and Republic pilots. If that is true, then how did Wings West, Simmons, Executive and Flagship for American Eagle. If that is true, then why is the TSA MEC currently trying to bring *************************s pilots onto a single list with the TSA pilots.

Seems to me like we are getting bad information and worse yet we are believing it.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Also remember that every other employee group at ASA is getting PROFIT sharing checks and ontime bonuses except for the union represented labor.... So if we are so bad off and the PROFITS are not there, Where in the hell is this PROFIT sharing money coming from?

ALPA has not been receptive to profit sharing and performance bonuses. That is why we don't have it.

 

[JoeMerchant]

ATRDriver, this should be easy enough to clear up. Is section 8 TA'd. If so, what is the DH pay? It is unclear from the union updates. The open item list doesn't mention section 8 at all. However nothing says it is TAd either. While there are lots of things to debate, this shouldn't be one of them. Either it is settled or it isn't. Neither side of this debate should be able to spin this simple question.

 

[capt. megadeth]

We mean nothing and it bothers me to come to work for a company that really doesn't care about the pilots.

Whoa, bro if that is the case, you better just hold out for SWA because
THAT IS THE ONLY PLACE THAT REMOTELY GIVES A CRAP ABOUT IT'S PILOTS! I hate to say it but that criteria has long gone to the bottom of my priority list. Good luck.

 

[JustaNumber]

We need to begin thinking about who we want for a Captain's Rep to replace Newie following his promotion. Hopefully we can get someone of his caliber, because he really has done an excellent job.

Hey Fins, have you considered the position? I think your intelligence, insight, and capacity for logical thought have not been surpassed, at least on this board.

We could have a write-in campaign on flightinfo for Fins for ASA Captain's Rep. Of course you would have to wear a parrot head during union meetings to keep your identity secret.
:beer:

 

[atrdriver]

ATRDriver, this should be easy enough to clear up. Is section 8 TA'd. If so, what is the DH pay? It is unclear from the union updates. The open item list doesn't mention section 8 at all. However nothing says it is TAd either. While there are lots of things to debate, this shouldn't be one of them. Either it is settled or it isn't. Neither side of this debate should be able to spin this simple question.

Well Joe, according to ASACONTRACT.COM the company proposal still shows 50% DH pay. 100% is scratched through, and 50% is underlined. It also does not show anything as "matched". I would point out to you as well that the ALPA summary has a disclaimer at the bottom that basically states that just the highlights (or lowlights) are shown, and that the summary does not represent all that is being discussed.

 

[ASACAPT]

ALPA Open Issue List

Deadhead is not listed as an issue since ALPA is happy with current book. Only issues raised by ALPA are listed on the open issue list. Company issues are not listed.

 

[sweptback]

ALPA has not been receptive to profit sharing and performance bonuses. That is why we don't have it.

I don't think the ASA MEC is against the above. I do however think that they are against the above as a way to make up money lost via a pay cut.

 

[1x1]

What kind of bonuses are the rampers, gate agents, etc. getting since the inception of that program? Are they genuinely impressed and satisfied? Being the nature of the beast ATL is, I can't imagine that it is significant.

Certainly, from the pilots perspective, there is no way a program like that will be acceptable in lieu of a paycut. As if Mgmt. is in a giving spirit anyway.

 

[atrdriver]

ALPA has not been receptive to profit sharing and performance bonuses. That is why we don't have it.

I believe that the reason that we don't have it is because the company has not offered it to us as of yet. I know for a fact that was the case as of 2 months ago.

 

[Tomct]

ATR, you might as well save your breathe. You will NEVER convince those guys, so why waste your time. It would not matter if Joe, EMB, ATL or anyone else for that matter, had that information, they would STILL try and find something wrong! They will be happy when we are on STRIKE!!! They will most likely cross the picket line!