What a NO vote means.

[jea]

Do you always say Chicken sh!t

ha ha ha ha only because it makes pbr mad.. though if you think about it.. its really stinky and sticky like pbr

 

[yellowfever]

I certainly dont blame alpa for it.. i hope it hasnt come across that way... what im saying is alpa didnt do anything there, what could they do here? When I was in groundschool here, a guy in class was having a hard time, they worked and worked with him to get him through, there was 2 others that were just falling apart in the sim... Skywest took the time, spent the money to get these guys through... SkyWest is far superior in this area than any other ive heard of.... without alpa.. I just hope that people are getting all the facts....

I know a guy at MESA who failed his upgrade in the 8 and is still working there. I also know the check airman that failed him.
If you fail an upgrade at Skywest you are out of a job (there are several who have been fired). I'm not sure what facts you are talking about?

 

[jea]

I know a guy at MESA who failed his upgrade in the 8 and is still working there. I also know the check airman that failed him.
If you fail an upgrade at Skywest you are out of a job (there are several who have been fired). I'm not sure what facts you are talking about?

its multiple failures.... you have a few chances during upgrade.

 

[Tarzan]

CFIT=jea=SkyNation= D-O-U-C-H-E-B-A-G

I get the impression they are one and the same.

 

[skypine69]

jea,

it sounds like you were on probation at mesa, yes?
I have been at skywest for 14 years. it is time for a union. it is a good place to work, but if this drive fails, that will go away. trust me, please, you still have time to vote.

 

[yellowfever]

its multiple failures.... you have a few chances during upgrade.

How long have you been at Skywest?

 

[jea]

less than 2 years but many friends who i have worked with over 10 years ago are/have been here for 9 years and more... granted i havent been here that long. but i have kept up on what was going on..

 

[EBE]

its multiple failures.... you have a few chances during upgrade.

What? Is that based on your personal experience or on what someone told you?

 

[Nevets]

Nevets,

what auspac said.

also, you only have your buddy's side of the story. of course there are always two sides, and the company story I'm sure would add to the discussion. I mean, why fire a guy you've spent all that money to train? spite? I'm sure there is more to it, and something compelled them to do it. we need FOs badly, and they're not going to boot someone for nothing.

That's the point. He couldn't even get the courtesy of an explanation. From what my friend told me, I have my suspicions on the probably cause but I'm not going to say it because I don't have anything to back it up.

He passed another 121 training program with flying colors shortly there after so take it for what its worth.

My real point is that if there was a contract, the company would be unable to just NOT call the guy and NOT give him an explanation of the termination without training records being presented at a hearing.

 

[Nevets]

its multiple failures.... you have a few chances during upgrade.

There is no up or out policy at ALPA carriers even with multiple failures.

 

[Bako Cap]

There is no up or out policy at ALPA carriers even with multiple failures.

That is too bad. I still cannot believe that a pilot PROFESSION would even allow subpar pilots, who continue to fail time and time again, to be members. I know that there are negative arguments floating around about unions and ALPA, but this one is my only sticking point. Unions such as the UBEW police their own. When someone in the UBEW does shotty electrical work, the UNION comes down on the member because the CRAPPY work of one person reflects on all the others. The house cleaning should be from the inside-out.

To everyone else, sorry for continuing the thread drift.

 

[propjob27]

Question.

I couldnt find this anywhere in the thread, but when does the vote close?

PS.

I was there 4 years (quit on year 3 to 4 pay on the RJ @ roughly 65 an hour) and NEVER EVER would have made close to six figures. I was on track to make roughly 65 K based on my YTD the month I quit in.

 

[Nevets]

That is too bad. I still cannot believe that a pilot PROFESSION would even allow subpar pilots, who continue to fail time and time again, to be members. I know that there are negative arguments floating around about unions and ALPA, but this one is my only sticking point. Unions such as the UBEW police their own. When someone in the UBEW does shotty electrical work, the UNION comes down on the member because the CRAPPY work of one person reflects on all the others. The house cleaning should be from the inside-out.

To everyone else, sorry for continuing the thread drift.

If you can't suceed in upgrade training (after going through a training review board), you go back to the right seat for six months (XJT) before you get to try again but you don't automatically get terminated.

Some people are just not ready after a couple of years and they need a little more seasoning. What is wrong with that?

 

[Nevets]

Question.

I couldnt find this anywhere in the thread, but when does the vote close?

PS.

I was there 4 years (quit on year 3 to 4 pay on the RJ @ roughly 65 an hour) and NEVER EVER would have made close to six figures. I was on track to make roughly 65 K based on my YTD the month I quit in.

November 6 at 1400 ET

 

[Bako Cap]

If you can't suceed in upgrade training (after going through a training review board), you go back to the right seat for six months (XJT) before you get to try again but you don't automatically get terminated.

Some people are just not ready after a couple of years and they need a little more seasoning. What is wrong with that?

Not much. I guess my problem is "train to proficiency" more than "not quite ready" to be Captain. Somewhere along the line an employee who is continually unsatisfactory should be let go with the blessings of the profession.

 

[Nevets]

Not much. I guess my problem is "train to proficiency" more than "not quite ready" to be Captain. Somewhere along the line an employee who is continually unsatisfactory should be let go with the blessings of the profession.

I see what you are saying but in the case of my friend, he in fact was hired somewhere else shortly after Skywest "fixed the glitch" on him and he passed with flying colors.

Like I said, at his current airline he would have had a hearing at a training review board at least once before being let go. And they wouldn't have waited until he called a long time afterward to tell him sorry.

 

[flap operator]

Skywest guys -

Take it from the Mesaba and Comair pilots who have been pretty close to h.ell and back with bankruptcy... it would have been even more brutal without ALPA. You never know what's around the corner for your airline.

Who knew in 2001 what Septeber 12th would be like?

Who knew in 2005 Mesaba and Comair would find themselves in the middle of Ch11 thanks to their big brother airlines?

Todays golden airline is tomorrows basket case. Mesaba and Comair both have rich histories to be proud of. With ALPA by our sides during our bumps in the road we can continue to be proud of our airlines and our history.

ALPA is not perfect and by no means does ALPA run through my veins. But all I can think about is what the last 6 years would have been like at Mesaba without ALPA.

The point is this: ALPA provides a safety net. ALPA provides written recourse. ALPA provides a written grievance process. ALPA provides so much more than meets the eye. ALPA is only as good as YOU want it to be.


FO

 

[skypine69]

flap,

thank you for a rational thought. i hope my brothers and sisters at skywest listen to you.

 

[BCpilot81]

Spent a lot of time with SKYW pilots w/ organizing the past few week in Atlanta, and Chicago. My encounters were stellar. I agree with all of you that have been on the front line that it will be close, but you gave it your all, and you know it was the right thing to try. Tuesday is going to be a great day for you guys. Thank you for letting me be a part of it.

 

[utahpilot]

I think Chicago will have the highest percentage voting for it. I think the events also are filled mostly with guys who are already for it. I'd bet that a large percentage won't vote at all, mostly out of apathy.

 

[BCpilot81]

Spent a lot of time with SKYW pilots w/ organizing the past few week in Atlanta, and Chicago. My encounters were stellar. I agree with all of you that have been on the front line that it will be close, but you gave it your all, and you know it was the right thing to try. Tuesday is going to be a great day for you guys. Thank you for letting me be a part of it.

If RM of th ORD OC reads this, I saved the last Donut for you

 

[BCpilot81]

I think Chicago will have the highest percentage voting for it. I think the events also are filled mostly with guys who are already for it. I'd bet that a large percentage won't vote at all, mostly out of apathy.

I certainly agree, we had a lot of people that were already PRO, but also we had a chance to speak with many that were just going by in passing to see who was in the room, and talk to myself from ASA, OUR fellow ORD pilots, and the United MEC guys. I do feel that a rumored ANTI domicile turned out surprisingly well. Like I told many of the fence sitters who stayed in their mind-set. At least vote, because it is your right. Ofcourse I want a YES vote for ALL OF US. But at least vote, because that Apathy is a vicious poison.

 

[Nevets]

I certainly agree, we had a lot of people that were already PRO, but also we had a chance to speak with many that were just going by in passing to see who was in the room, and talk to myself from ASA, OUR fellow ORD pilots, and the United MEC guys.

On a side note, I noticed that a lot of Skywest pilots were very receptive when the FedEx and UAL pilots were there to answer their questions and concerns.

If you are on the fence but leaning pro ALPA, NOW is the time to pick up the phone and vote because it may be a LONG time before you get another opportunity.