What a NO vote means.

[siucavflight]

Skynation, not calling you a liar, but at four years the most you could be making in the company would be 65 an hour. And that would be if you were flying the 900 only. At your FAA max that would be 65,000 a year. How can you be pulling in 80+ a year? Are you one of those guys that counts per-diem? Even if you do the most I could see you making in per-diem is 7K a year. Please explain, I am curious.

 

[SkyNation]

yes, I count per diem. I credit over 100 hrs. per month, usually. it's all about credit, not block hours flown. I will not time out on block, but soft time gets my credit up. I had one month where I credited 128. my low is 93.

all I do is look at my pay stub and see the YTD total. yes I pick up extra, usually for JRM pay if I can.

we have a dude here who claims to have credited 1700 hrs. in one year. I don't know how he did it, but I don't doubt that he did. he's a regular line pilot, too.

 

[jea]

ALPA is YOU and I. If YOU don't like what direction ALPA is going in, its up to YOU to do something about it. Run for an LEC rep position, volunteer to be a committee member, make a phone call to your MEC chairman, email the president of ALPA, etc but don't just point out the problems unless you are trying to come up with solutions. That is one part of being a union member. We are all adults and professionals. Its time to act like it and make a difference instead of just complaining.

Act professional? Thats not anything like the pro alpa guys lingering around the crew room like a stinky cabbage fart in the bathroom of a Thai food restaraunt.

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

I find the people most against ALPA seem to be the one's who have had it before or have it now. From my ex-Comair buddy who walked the picket line in 2001 to a senior United captain to a US Air jumpseater. There are a lot of very dissatisfied ALPA members right now. Perhaps they're all ignorant?

Spin it any way you want, why don't you ask them if they would rather be union-less. HMMM! Seems like if they are trying to get rid of ALPA, they are trying to get a different UNION in... At least ALPA is a step in the right direction.

 

[Hawkeyeguy]

What I am worried about IF this vote does not pass is the ability for Skywest pilots to move on. Why would ALPA carriers want t hire from a group like us. They do not need the negativity on their property. The full page ad in USA today was a message to all Skywest pilots.

 

[siucavflight]

What I am worried about IF this vote does not pass is the ability for Skywest pilots to move on. Why would ALPA carriers want t hire from a group like us. They do not need the negativity on their property. The full page ad in USA today was a message to all Skywest pilots.

They will move on just fine.

 

[waterski45]

A no vote (or not voting) simply means that the majority of SkyWest pilots feel that we do not need union representation at SkyWest. It does not mean all SkyWest pilots are anti-union and/or anti-ALPA. It also does not mean that any SkyWest pilot will have difficulty moving on to any other company because we voted down a union.

 

[skypine69]

Hey a$$hole....dont f*&k with thai food!!! One of my favorite foods and wonderful people!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I've only been here 4 and I'll make in the low 80's. you must bid for days off, and you must bid junior and/or commute to get those trips.

I didn't say everyone did, but I have enough friends who do to prove what I said.

why would I lie?

Because you are a sack of $hit loser, and will never be able to go anywhere else! You and xp00p should set up a mutual admiration crashpad. Your friends are xp00p, jea, and the queen of all queens hellonewwoman!
PBR

 

[rumrnr78]

Yep, that's about the size of it. The next time you have one of these blithering idiots on your jumpseat talking smack about ALPA, ask them a few questions. Ask them the names of their three LEC Officers. Ask them the names of their three MEC Officers. Ask them the amendable date on their contract. Ask them the difference between the Executive Council and the Executive Board. Ask them to explain what the ALPA BOD is. Chances are, these imbeciles won't know the answers to any of these questions, because the average anti-ALPA mouth-breather doesn't know jack sh*& about the organization that he spends all of his time attacking. Hating ALPA has been "fashionable" for the past few years. All of the newbies hear their uninformed Captains talking crap about ALPA, so they join in too. Neither of them has a clue what they're talking about, but that doesn't matter, because it's just "cool" to hate ALPA. Finding an informed pilot that has well thought out opinions about his dislike of ALPA is a fool's errand. ALPA-haters are almost exclusively uninformed.

All this from a scumbag who bought his job at GIA!

 

[SkyWstman]

To vote no means that you are absolutely trusting that regular falible people in management will never change their mind about you as a person and will always be there when you need them. They will be thinking of how a career loss to you would be so sad and that they would give up their own job before they would give up yours. It also means that in a career field where you have to start at the bottom all over again should you lose your job you have no problem hangin it all out there for someone to spank. You trust management with your career and place them in the driver seat of your life. And that is ok with you.

 

[Ski Bum]

I wholeheartedly agree with the original theme of this post. Over the past few years, SKYW management has reduced our QOL by changing the interpretations of our policies (and sometimes the policy manual itself) and giving us a substandard pay freeze that is making them millions. If we do not unionize now, that is the same as our pilot group saying that it is okay for SKYW to treat us like that and it will continue to get worse. We would be giving them the green light to cut costs from the pilot group whenever they see fit because they know we won't/can't do anything about it. It won't be out of spite or retribution, it will merely be a business decision made up of the pilot group's dollars and cents.

 

[Nevets]

Act professional? Thats not anything like the pro alpa guys lingering around the crew room like a stinky cabbage fart in the bathroom of a Thai food restaraunt.

There is nothing inherently unprofessional with pro ALPA guys lingering around the crew room. Or is it just because you disagree with their message?

 

[jea]

Hey a$$hole....dont f*&k with thai food!!! One of my favorite foods and wonderful people!

wow did i slam the people? I dont particularly care for the food... seems to give some people gas... but yeah the people are great!

lighten up dude... or not

 

[SkyNation]

I wholeheartedly agree with the original theme of this post. Over the past few years, SKYW management has reduced our QOL by changing the interpretations of our policies (and sometimes the policy manual itself) and giving us a substandard pay freeze that is making them millions. If we do not unionize now, that is the same as our pilot group saying that it is okay for SKYW to treat us like that and it will continue to get worse. We would be giving them the green light to cut costs from the pilot group whenever they see fit because they know we won't/can't do anything about it. It won't be out of spite or retribution, it will merely be a business decision made up of the pilot group's dollars and cents.

have you seen this? http://www.doihaveafuturehere.org/

sounds like having ALPA doesn't make you immune.
from the site:

'Recent developments, such as the rigid enforcement of an Attendance Policy that disciplines pilots who call in sick when they are actually sick, unilateral policy changes that have cost our pilots substantial amounts of pay, an exceedingly high grievance case load, and repeatedly denied requests for scheduling accommodations that would greatly enhance our quality of life have provided the impetus for this strategic campaign.'

 

[USCtrojan]

have you seen this? http://www.doihaveafuturehere.org/

sounds like having ALPA doesn't make you immune.
from the site:

'Recent developments, such as the rigid enforcement of an Attendance Policy that disciplines pilots who call in sick when they are actually sick, unilateral policy changes that have cost our pilots substantial amounts of pay, an exceedingly high grievance case load, and repeatedly denied requests for scheduling accommodations that would greatly enhance our quality of life have provided the impetus for this strategic campaign.'

SkyNation,

Quit spreading your stupidity. You're the Whore that brought about the decline of AWAC. Your pilot groups destruction is not limited to AWAC. 90 seat flying for 50 seat pay and you celebrate. Not to bash your Pilot Group, at least some of your brothers and sisters are trying to do something about that. And here you attempt to bash ALPA. Go read a book, get a clue, then do yourself a favor and STFU.

Trojan

 

[Ben Dover]

REASONS TO VOTE NO:
1. You are too cheap to invest in the future of the profession.
2. You don't trust yourself or your fellow pilots with a seat at the bargaining table.

It's that simple...

 

[Nevets]

have you seen this? http://www.doihaveafuturehere.org/

sounds like having ALPA doesn't make you immune.
from the site:

'Recent developments, such as the rigid enforcement of an Attendance Policy that disciplines pilots who call in sick when they are actually sick, unilateral policy changes that have cost our pilots substantial amounts of pay, an exceedingly high grievance case load, and repeatedly denied requests for scheduling accommodations that would greatly enhance our quality of life have provided the impetus for this strategic campaign.'

In a union, EVERYONE is treated the same regarding attendance policy. No one gets favored treatment and sweet hart deals. This in turn brings up the moral of everyone and make everybody's QOL better rather than the select few.

In any case, sick call policy is mostly at management's discretion and all ALPA can do is to make sure disciplinary action is distributed fairly and per the policy. And if not, the federally binding contract allows for a process for "unjust" actions by the management.

But I guess some people rather keep their sweet hart deals instead.

 

[PCL_128]

have you seen this? http://www.doihaveafuturehere.org/

sounds like having ALPA doesn't make you immune.
from the site:

'Recent developments, such as the rigid enforcement of an Attendance Policy that disciplines pilots who call in sick when they are actually sick, unilateral policy changes that have cost our pilots substantial amounts of pay, an exceedingly high grievance case load, and repeatedly denied requests for scheduling accommodations that would greatly enhance our quality of life have provided the impetus for this strategic campaign.'

You missed a key word in all of that, Skynation: grievance. The ALPA pilots at AWAC have the grievance process as outlined in their CBA and the RLA to address these issues. When management changes your policy manual at a whim, you get no grievance and no say. You have zero recourse. Don't you want a say in your career? Join the rest of us in fighting for a better profession instead of spending the rest of your life on your knees begging Jerry for scraps.

 

[jea]

There is nothing inherently unprofessional with pro ALPA guys lingering around the crew room. Or is it just because you disagree with their message?

I'm fine with them being there... What i feel is unprofessional is when they linger around outside the crew room and try to force their opinions on others - in front of passengers... THAT is unprofessional.. passengers do not need to be concerned with that. Am I wrong? I know I said IN the crew room before... sorry