Well, there's about 1,000 more on the street

[mxer]

Mike,

What do you expect Joe to say? There are three releases out there. UPS and DPWN have said the same thing in that all flying will be on UPS aircraft. If Joe does anything other than try to get people to "hang in there" untill the badges fail to work, he could have serious problems getting people to come to work and sort freight, mow grass, pump gas, dispatch, schedule, fly, or anything else. He is sugar coating and playing a game. This was the reason for the holding company to begin with. I don't blame him for this. This hand was was given by DPWN.

 

[FastHap]

Hete also noted that "ABX Air's management team, working in tandem with our other ATSG companies, is already examining alternatives for deploying our DHL aircraft with other customers, and other business options that would maximize the return on our investments and the capabilities of our employees. Those options may include services for customers in the U.S. and around the world in markets where demand for efficient, flexible air cargo and related services continues to expand."

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080528/20080528005993.html?.v=1

 

[Dick Cabeza]

Hete also noted that "ABX Air's management team, working in tandem with our other ATSG companies, is already examining alternatives for deploying our DHL aircraft with other customers, and other business options that would maximize the return on our investments and the capabilities of our employees. Those options may include services for customers in the U.S. and around the world in markets where demand for efficient, flexible air cargo and related services continues to expand."

Wow glad I passed at ATI, sounds like you guys are right in line to take over some or most of ATI's BAX Global work. Sounds like they (ATI) are going to get the big time shaft probably, from you guy's. Like the old saying "$^it flows downhill"

 

[l8fr82hub]

Wow glad I passed at ATI, sounds like you guys are right in line to take over some or most of ATI's BAX Global work. Sounds like they (ATI) are going to get the big time shaft probably, from you guy's. Like the old saying "$^it flows downhill"

Why would you think that?

 

[Dick Cabeza]

Why would you think that?

Well if Hete is as shrewed as you guys think he is, I would think he bought ATI and Capitol, knowing full well that DHL was going to stick it to him. Now he has some ware to put some of his resources (BAX and other ATI International work) this is of course after he beats wage and benefit concessions out of the ABX side of the equation, and tosses ATI and CHI or whoever else he may own to the curb.

You have to admit it's a creative way to get you guy's to re-negotiate your wage/benefit package, and fly on the cheap. But I should talk I'm flying Crappy Cargo on the cheap myself.

O' what a wonderful world of aviation.... Best of luck to all you guys!

 

[l8fr82hub]

Well two problems with that;
1. BAX is paying for DC-8's, not 767's. They've previously (in their corporate magazine) expressed some concern over the cost of 767's, though I would imagine current fuel prices could change their minds. We'll know soon enough because ATI will start operating their own 767 shortly.

2. (and this is the big one) Most of ATI's international ops involve carrying passengers for the military. No other ATSG carriers have a passenger air carrier certificate.

 

[shooter]

Mike,

What do you expect Joe to say? There are three releases out there. UPS and DPWN have said the same thing in that all flying will be on UPS aircraft. If Joe does anything other than try to get people to "hang in there" untill the badges fail to work, he could have serious problems getting people to come to work and sort freight, mow grass, pump gas, dispatch, schedule, fly, or anything else. He is sugar coating and playing a game. This was the reason for the holding company to begin with. I don't blame him for this. This hand was was given by DPWN.

<<cough>> <<cough>> huh? <<cough>> <<snort>>

I agree it is not their fault dhl chose this path. I hope they do find work for all of us because it is a great group of people I have had the privilege to work with. We did our jobs and did it well. It's not our fault dhl failed. Which makes it a harder pill to swallow that the aviation side was the one to get chopped since it was not the side that created the mess.

 

[dawgt]

It's just a pep rally (talk) to fire up the ABX folks to help DHL phase in UPS operations. "Please help DHL Express smoothly transition to UPS so DHL customers won't be driven away." How can anybody in their right mind want to help somebody to take their job knowing they will be on the street as soon as UPS is up to speed. There should be outrage. I don't see how contacting elected officials from Ohio can fix this. ABX assumes their employees will help DHL complete the destruction and not see past the charade. If you do a good job and support our (ABX) cause you can reapply and don't forget 'No Dues Required' to work for us. Where is the Teamster support and why would DHL freight move through ILN this week? Oh yeah, ABX employees are professionals and must act accordingly.

 

[shooter]

It's just a pep rally (talk) to fire up the ABX folks to help DHL phase in UPS operations. "Please help DHL Express smoothly transition to UPS so DHL customers won't be driven away." How can anybody in their right mind want to help somebody to take their job knowing they will be on the street as soon as UPS is up to speed. There should be outrage. I don't see how contacting elected officials from Ohio can fix this. ABX assumes their employees will help DHL complete the destruction and not see past the charade. If you do a good job and support our (ABX) cause you can reapply and don't forget 'No Dues Required' to work for us. Where is the Teamster support and why would DHL freight move through ILN this week? Oh yeah, ABX employees are professionals and must act accordingly.

What? Doesn't everyone dull the blade of their executioner to make the pain last longer? Contacting elected officials may not help, but it cant hurt. Oh wait, yes it can. It can hurt dhl by giving all those tax dollars back.

 

[H25BCPTN]

Dear Crewmember,



DHL has announced that it will work with UPS toward an agreement to
provide transportation in its air network for all of DHL's express,
deferred and international package volume within the US. UPS will also
provide air lift for packages between the US Canada and Mexico. A final
contract is anticipated later this year. It will take approximately
one year after the contract is settled to complete the transition.



The intermediate transition will involve parking 39 DC-9s over the next
12-18 months.



Like you, we are devastated and did not see the UPS portion of the plan
coming. Nobody from the VP level on down at DPWN knew about the UPS
portion. No one from ABX Air or ASTAR knew this was coming.



As futile as it may seem, we will continue to fight for every job we
have. Both 1224 and ABX Air are working with US Senators Brown and Voinovich,
as well as congressman Turner and Governor Strickland to alter this
decision. We are also in contact with President Hoffa's office to put
the full weight of the International behind us.



We are professional airmen. We are the best in the business and recognized
as such. Please conduct yourselves accordingly. At this point, the best
thing you can do to maintain your reputation in this industry is to
fly like you do every night.



There will be an update this evening. Please pass on the word. There
will be a company-sponsored crew meeting tonight at 0130 and a union
crew meeting tomorrow night at approximately 0200.



Please keep your heads in the game and fly safe.


Dave Ross
President
Teamsters Local 1224
Airline Professionals Association
--Forwarded Message Attachment--
Subject: ATSG Reviewing DHL Restructuring Announcement (press release)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:58:48 -0500
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]


ATSG Reviewing DHL Restructuring Announcement
Wednesday May 28, 11:23 am ET

 

[H25BCPTN]

Sorry guys....my prayers are with all of you and your families.

 

[mxer]

I find it really really hard to believe that no one from the VP level down knew about this. This didn't happen over night. If the Germans can't deliver a package overnight how can they work out a deal with UPS overnight.

 

[abxaviator]

I agree, in the press conference, they kept saying how the "team" had spent so much time and effort working on this for several months.

 

[WYOMINGPILOT]

I Give DHL ZERO chance of pulling this one off. If you think they lost money and screwed up with the U.S. Express market, "YOU AIN"T SEEN NOTHING YET." These DHL baffoons will loose out on EVERYTHING in the U.S. What customer will utilize their services when they will provide such a sorry product in the future? UPS will give them LOW LOW Priority in shipping their product. Oops sorry, we left your freight in Lousiville as the UPS freight has a higher priority. Whose product will get downloaded at the outstations first? Not DHL! With such a long phase in 12-18 months, what will be the reliability of Astar and ABX given their jobs are going away? What will be the sick call usage, and who will answer their phones for Junior Manning assignments? What reliability will the loaders, dispatchers, mechanics present for DHL over the next 12-18 months? If you think DHL screwed up the ILN Integration (Disintegration) wait ans see these DHL Bozo managers try managing this large of an operation. I predict DHL will loose tens of billions on this Nightmare of a decision. Time will tell. I'm glad I don't own real estate in Wilmington, OH or ABX stock.

 

[HoursHore]

I'm no CEO, but this seems to me like DHL is handing the knife to one of its competitors.

Plus the problem with DHL has always been its ground contractors, which this does nothing to correct.

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

I find it really really hard to believe that no one from the VP level down knew about this.

I find it hard to believe that anybody didn't see this coming. Certainly Joe Hete knew...he's never pinned his long-term plans for survival to being a part of DHL. John Dasburg knew...which is why he never invested in newer, more fuel-efficient aircraft when they were available. The pilots of both companies knew...many have already left, or have been seeking other positions for a while now. The rest were hoping against hope that they would somehow survive the coming debacle.

This didn't happen over night. If the Germans can't deliver a package overnight how can they work out a deal with UPS overnight.

Losing 3 million dollars a day gives one a pretty strong incentive for working things out "overnight"

 

[727Niteflyer]

I dont normally post on here. But I do like to read. This is just further consolidation. The end result is going to be the same, alot of people out of work. Ive seen it at flying tigers, challenge, emery, cat, airborne, and dhl airways. Personally I dont know why any of you ASTAR or ABX guys are even going to work tonight. Send them a messege. At least stick it to them, dont let them sweet talk you and let them tell you that tomorrow is wonderful day. The end result is going to be the same. Everybody is out of work, no paycheck, no airplanes not even a preferential interview.

I work at ccia. Believe me this is going to happen at bax sooner or later. And the day that I am told that bax has been bought and some new operator is going to be on property in 12 months is the day that airplane is not moving with me in it.

Stick together, have some integrity, honor, and let DHL figure out how to move freight for the next 12 months.

 

[727Niteflyer]

I would love to wake up tomorrow, turn on CNBC and watch the headline, DHL shutdown. They deserve it, hete deserves it and everyone else of those management F(#%ks. Im sick of the worker always getting screwed.

 

[Cargoav8or]

I dont normally post on here. But I do like to read. This is just further consolidation. The end result is going to be the same, alot of people out of work. Ive seen it at flying tigers, challenge, emery, cat, airborne, and dhl airways. Personally I dont know why any of you ASTAR or ABX guys are even going to work tonight. Send them a messege. At least stick it to them, dont let them sweet talk you and let them tell you that tomorrow is wonderful day. The end result is going to be the same. Everybody is out of work, no paycheck, no airplanes not even a preferential interview.

I work at ccia. Believe me this is going to happen at bax sooner or later. And the day that I am told that bax has been bought and some new operator is going to be on property in 12 months is the day that airplane is not moving with me in it.

Stick together, have some integrity, honor, and let DHL figure out how to move freight for the next 12 months.

AMEN BROTHER!!!! I SAY IF THEY WANT TO GIVE IT ALL TO UPS, GIVE IT TONIGHT!!!

 

[Dick Cabeza]

I think you guys need to bring them to their knees, at least make them beg you to finish their contract with DHL. It's not a consolation prize but....Many a pilot has raked in some cash at the end of an airlines life by putting the screws to them as they are doing to you. At this point it seems to be "you against them" until the doors shut, so you may as well get yours!

I wish all the best to everyone..... Except DHL Management $crew Them