Well, there's about 1,000 more on the street

[H25BCPTN]

Sorry guys....my prayers are with all of you and your families.

 

[mxer]

I find it really really hard to believe that no one from the VP level down knew about this. This didn't happen over night. If the Germans can't deliver a package overnight how can they work out a deal with UPS overnight.

 

[abxaviator]

I agree, in the press conference, they kept saying how the "team" had spent so much time and effort working on this for several months.

 

[WYOMINGPILOT]

I Give DHL ZERO chance of pulling this one off. If you think they lost money and screwed up with the U.S. Express market, "YOU AIN"T SEEN NOTHING YET." These DHL baffoons will loose out on EVERYTHING in the U.S. What customer will utilize their services when they will provide such a sorry product in the future? UPS will give them LOW LOW Priority in shipping their product. Oops sorry, we left your freight in Lousiville as the UPS freight has a higher priority. Whose product will get downloaded at the outstations first? Not DHL! With such a long phase in 12-18 months, what will be the reliability of Astar and ABX given their jobs are going away? What will be the sick call usage, and who will answer their phones for Junior Manning assignments? What reliability will the loaders, dispatchers, mechanics present for DHL over the next 12-18 months? If you think DHL screwed up the ILN Integration (Disintegration) wait ans see these DHL Bozo managers try managing this large of an operation. I predict DHL will loose tens of billions on this Nightmare of a decision. Time will tell. I'm glad I don't own real estate in Wilmington, OH or ABX stock.

 

[HoursHore]

I'm no CEO, but this seems to me like DHL is handing the knife to one of its competitors.

Plus the problem with DHL has always been its ground contractors, which this does nothing to correct.

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

I find it really really hard to believe that no one from the VP level down knew about this.

I find it hard to believe that anybody didn't see this coming. Certainly Joe Hete knew...he's never pinned his long-term plans for survival to being a part of DHL. John Dasburg knew...which is why he never invested in newer, more fuel-efficient aircraft when they were available. The pilots of both companies knew...many have already left, or have been seeking other positions for a while now. The rest were hoping against hope that they would somehow survive the coming debacle.

This didn't happen over night. If the Germans can't deliver a package overnight how can they work out a deal with UPS overnight.

Losing 3 million dollars a day gives one a pretty strong incentive for working things out "overnight"

 

[727Niteflyer]

I dont normally post on here. But I do like to read. This is just further consolidation. The end result is going to be the same, alot of people out of work. Ive seen it at flying tigers, challenge, emery, cat, airborne, and dhl airways. Personally I dont know why any of you ASTAR or ABX guys are even going to work tonight. Send them a messege. At least stick it to them, dont let them sweet talk you and let them tell you that tomorrow is wonderful day. The end result is going to be the same. Everybody is out of work, no paycheck, no airplanes not even a preferential interview.

I work at ccia. Believe me this is going to happen at bax sooner or later. And the day that I am told that bax has been bought and some new operator is going to be on property in 12 months is the day that airplane is not moving with me in it.

Stick together, have some integrity, honor, and let DHL figure out how to move freight for the next 12 months.

 

[727Niteflyer]

I would love to wake up tomorrow, turn on CNBC and watch the headline, DHL shutdown. They deserve it, hete deserves it and everyone else of those management F(#%ks. Im sick of the worker always getting screwed.

 

[Cargoav8or]

I dont normally post on here. But I do like to read. This is just further consolidation. The end result is going to be the same, alot of people out of work. Ive seen it at flying tigers, challenge, emery, cat, airborne, and dhl airways. Personally I dont know why any of you ASTAR or ABX guys are even going to work tonight. Send them a messege. At least stick it to them, dont let them sweet talk you and let them tell you that tomorrow is wonderful day. The end result is going to be the same. Everybody is out of work, no paycheck, no airplanes not even a preferential interview.

I work at ccia. Believe me this is going to happen at bax sooner or later. And the day that I am told that bax has been bought and some new operator is going to be on property in 12 months is the day that airplane is not moving with me in it.

Stick together, have some integrity, honor, and let DHL figure out how to move freight for the next 12 months.

AMEN BROTHER!!!! I SAY IF THEY WANT TO GIVE IT ALL TO UPS, GIVE IT TONIGHT!!!

 

[Dick Cabeza]

I think you guys need to bring them to their knees, at least make them beg you to finish their contract with DHL. It's not a consolation prize but....Many a pilot has raked in some cash at the end of an airlines life by putting the screws to them as they are doing to you. At this point it seems to be "you against them" until the doors shut, so you may as well get yours!

I wish all the best to everyone..... Except DHL Management $crew Them

 

[ABXbooger]

Plenty are cashing in. All of the OPF went away first thing this morning, not that I blame anyone.

Sad, sad day. I will never ship on DHL again. (probably won't even be an option in a year or two anyways)

Heard today that Boeing corporate has told the employees not to use DHL anymore, I'm sure the first of many.

 

[rod farva]

I would love to wake up tomorrow, turn on CNBC and watch the headline, DHL shutdown. They deserve it, hete deserves it and everyone else of those management F(#%ks. Im sick of the worker always getting screwed.

******************** yeah!!! Burn this mother down!!!

 

[Box-Hauler]

Plenty are cashing in. All of the OPF went away first thing this morning, not that I blame anyone.

Yeah these are the same rocket scientist that think getting an extra 4.5 hr on a trip is going to save their toys. There job is gone and they are trying to bank a few dollars to make the payment on the jet ski last longer. I have accepted my fate the house will go up as soon as I fix a few paint marks and drywall holes. I plan on downsizing to my future estimated income of about 1/2 of what I make now.

Our best chance of any success is to join together with Astar, the Daz, Joe and APA and give Dhl an ultimatum. If they want one airline spell out how to give them one, if they need cost cutting figure it out. I do not see how UPS is going to do the same job cheaper than we do it now, 1.75% is pretty damn cheap. I bet even Astar is willing to give a little wiggle room to make it happen. If Dhl says no, then why wait 12-18 months to die on the vine.

Has no analyst said this is a stupid move, giving your biggest competitor who has more money, more management skill and more success the ability to kill you.........

I must be a dumb pilot cuz I missed that day in business class.

 

[Jurasicpilot]

Wow glad I passed at ATI, sounds like you guys are right in line to take over some or most of ATI's BAX Global work. Sounds like they (ATI) are going to get the big time shaft probably, from you guy's. Like the old saying "$^it flows downhill"

Flying will always move down the payscale. Unless all the planets re-align and karma is reborn etc etc.

 

[bukakke]

What i find is more distrubing ,,,,, I neither got a kiss or a "reach around".......How Sad!

 

[Clipperskip]

You speak the Truth Bro!

Plenty are cashing in. All of the OPF went away first thing this morning, not that I blame anyone.

Yeah these are the same rocket scientist that think getting an extra 4.5 hr on a trip is going to save their toys. There job is gone and they are trying to bank a few dollars to make the payment on the jet ski last longer. I have accepted my fate the house will go up as soon as I fix a few paint marks and drywall holes. I plan on downsizing to my future estimated income of about 1/2 of what I make now.

Our best chance of any success is to join together with Astar, the Daz, Joe and APA and give Dhl an ultimatum. If they want one airline spell out how to give them one, if they need cost cutting figure it out. I do not see how UPS is going to do the same job cheaper than we do it now, 1.75% is pretty damn cheap. I bet even Astar is willing to give a little wiggle room to make it happen. If Dhl says no, then why wait 12-18 months to die on the vine.

Has no analyst said this is a stupid move, giving your biggest competitor who has more money, more management skill and more success the ability to kill you.........

I must be a dumb pilot cuz I missed that day in business class.

My sentements exactly Box Hauler. Try to work with "The Daz", Hete and the Astar group and if that does not work then why play the "Lame Duck" for a year and and half while they outsource us to our competition?

 

[727Niteflyer]

working with anyone isnt going to do anything but give DHL a smooth transition. So why do it. STOP THE FRIEGHT FROM MOVING. Its the only thing they understand. Maybe instead of losing a billion you can cause them to lose 10 billion. Either way get some satisfaction that in the last 12 months you didnt get taken advantage of.

The only thing you should be doing is cranking up the barby across from the hub and all ASTAR and ABX Employees, truck drivers cafeteria people, mechanics and janitors join in. Invite the media and watch the airplanes and freight sit. Make the biggest spectacle that you can out of it.

Some of you are worried, give them something to worry about. UNITE NOW AND STOP THE FREIGHT !!!!!!!!

 

[shooter]

working with anyone isnt going to do anything but give DHL a smooth transition. So why do it. STOP THE FRIEGHT FROM MOVING. Its the only thing they understand. Maybe instead of losing a billion you can cause them to lose 10 billion. Either way get some satisfaction that in the last 12 months you didnt get taken advantage of.

The only thing you should be doing is cranking up the barby across from the hub and all ASTAR and ABX Employees, truck drivers cafeteria people, mechanics and janitors join in. Invite the media and watch the airplanes and freight sit. Make the biggest spectacle that you can out of it.

Some of you are worried, give them something to worry about. UNITE NOW AND STOP THE FREIGHT !!!!!!!!

Hmmmmm, for quite some time now all we have heard from DPWN is that a pull out from the US is unacceptable since the US is responsible for a great share of their international business. How vital the US is to keep dhl a viable competitor in the market place. Since they put all of our livelihoods on the table and said they are now committed to phase it out over the next 12-18 months, just how many of those customers would be around in 12-18 months if it all stopped now. No contract, no DOJ review to approve their plan, no planes or trucks moving one single box. Their ENTIRE global empire could just possibly come crumbling down well before that 12-18 month time frame.

Maybe they should put in writing a VERY VERY generous offer for each and every employee to do what they do to their fullest to get them the time to implement their plan.

I can see how your plan has real teeth, and they are sharp too.

 

[MACHTRANSDUCER]

i have been led to believe that UPS does not carry DG, how much/many contracts and DG shipments does DHL have? and are they 'profitable'?

 

[Jurassic Jet]

working with anyone isnt going to do anything but give DHL a smooth transition. So why do it. STOP THE FRIEGHT FROM MOVING. Its the only thing they understand. Maybe instead of losing a billion you can cause them to lose 10 billion. Either way get some satisfaction that in the last 12 months you didnt get taken advantage of.

The only thing you should be doing is cranking up the barby across from the hub and all ASTAR and ABX Employees, truck drivers cafeteria people, mechanics and janitors join in. Invite the media and watch the airplanes and freight sit. Make the biggest spectacle that you can out of it.

Some of you are worried, give them something to worry about. UNITE NOW AND STOP THE FREIGHT !!!!!!!!

:beer:

I have sat here most of the day in disbelief wondering if they actually think they are going to have any kind of system inegrity over the next 12-18 months. Do they really expect people to show up and do a bang up job for them while their jobs are slowly being given away?

I'm sure there are those that will suck up the open flying until they shut the lights out here.

Of course maybe that's what Graber was talking about when he said:

"The increased pilot costs are in the neighborhood of a penny a share and they are the result of a disagreement we are having with the union as Joe mentioned and we don’t know how long those cost will continue though; we are taking steps to moderate those costs and drive them down as fast as possible and I think we’re going to see some success in that almost immediately."

Any of the ABX guys happen to notice when your AOA badge expires? (Hint...18 months from now)

Coincidence? Probably. Maybe not.

Well, it won't be the first time for me. Turned the lights out on the last one. Sure didn't think I'd see the day here.

I know this was a naive thought on my part, but when I got hired here almost 10 years ago, I told my wife I had finally made it...someplace to retire from.:erm:

 

[shooter]

I know this was a naive thought on my part, but when I got hired here almost 10 years ago, I told my wife I had finally made it...someplace to retire from.:erm:

I have said those same exact words, twice. Next job I will say I am going to work until I die. :bawling:

 

[shooter]

i have been led to believe that UPS does not carry DG, how much/many contracts and DG shipments does DHL have? and are they 'profitable'?

I don't know about UPS carrying it, but having worked with USPS before ABX I know they will not deliver it.

 

[DC8CRIVER]

In as much as UPS may/will be hiring additional pilots to fly DHL freight, preferential interviews for those of us who's jobs will be lost to Big Brown would be much appreciated.

DC8

 

[mxer]

Did they say that they will need to hire? I assumed that DHL has lost so much of the market share that what is left could fit in a couple rollaboard suitcases.

 

[abxaviator]

That will indeed be the case over the next year or so.

 

[727flier]

working with anyone isnt going to do anything but give DHL a smooth transition. So why do it. STOP THE FRIEGHT FROM MOVING. Its the only thing they understand. Maybe instead of losing a billion you can cause them to lose 10 billion. Either way get some satisfaction that in the last 12 months you didnt get taken advantage of.

The only thing you should be doing is cranking up the barby across from the hub and all ASTAR and ABX Employees, truck drivers cafeteria people, mechanics and janitors join in. Invite the media and watch the airplanes and freight sit. Make the biggest spectacle that you can out of it.

Some of you are worried, give them something to worry about. UNITE NOW AND STOP THE FREIGHT !!!!!!!!

I believe this is the law book definition of what your talking about...(I THINK)

A whipsaw strike (also called a selective strike)[1] is a strike by a trade union against only one or a few employers in an industry or a multi-employer association at a time. The strike is often of a short duration, and usually recurrs during the labor dispute or contract negotiations—hence the name "whipsaw."

 

[DASHDRIVER]

best wishes

I am very sorry to hear about this situation. I would hope that all abx and astar pilots could arange some kind of preferential hiring to ups. Does anyone know how many total pilots will be affected by this decision? Will the other companies under the abx holding company be losing jobs too? I was about to go into and interview with ATI in a couple of weeks and everyone I have met there seems like such good people. I wish the best to all of you.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

This whole thing reminds me of when FedEx stole all the USPS flying and screwed Ryan & Express One. (among others)

 

[727Niteflyer]

this is like abused wife syndrome. While your worried about how the hazmat is gonna get transported, preferential interviews with UPS (ask CAT, EMERY and Challenge about that), and how the freight is gonna be dropping off, Hete, Das, and the germans are getting a plan on how to manipulate the labor to keep working. I guarrentee they will.

Ive had the doors close on me twice in my aviation career. Both times we had promises and guarantees. Then one day you call and you learn you have no job. Great satisfaction, I got knowing I helped them with a smooth transition and Im on the street.

How many of those 76's have cargo doors ? They will have to be converted inorder to be used in the acmi world. Whos gonna pay and where is the money gonna come from. The stock is in the toilet. No one is gonna invest money. Unless they come up with contracts and a guaranteed income.

You "professional aviators" are going to be proud of yourselves flying night after night working your butts off so they can make a good transition. Just wait until they start selling the 76s to UPS. Gonna be a fire sale to UPS so the stock can get some integrity back so the management can sell it and make more money.

I hate to see anyone lose their jobs. I cant stand it !! But your destiny has been written. But you can control its ending. You can write how the last chapter ends.

Shut the place down and celebrate as hete, das and the germans scratch their heads and worry. Why should you lose sleep while they sleep soundly at night ?

when you look back you will at least feel better knowing you went down with dignity.

 

[727flier]

On another note.....do pilots get 18 months of unemployment?