well that was quick.....

[G4dude]

G4, if (god forbid) someone you love becomes seriously ill, so that you have to be by their bedside 24/7 caring for them, you will quickly become familiar with the FMLA, and you will bless the people who created it. Every family that has had children since the '90's knows about it. The FMLA is one of the few acts that makes our country a little more civilized in how it treats its citizens. Brought to you by unions and the Democratic Party, with, to be fair, some help from moderate republicans. Many a manager has tried to ignore it, or to pretend that it does not work the way that it was intended. Luckily for every one who draws a paycheck, it does.

Waco

Thanks for that info, but I wonder. Is it compassionate to take other people's money to help my loved one? Shouldn't my loved one's loved ones pony up, including me, which, by the way, I am doing as we speak? Why is it compassionate for a third party to take from Peter to pay Paul? Its a really good deal for Paul, but what about Peter? It is also a good deal for the third party, who gets to talk about how compassionate he is, with Other People's Money. Just sayin.

 

[imacdog]

For claiming he pays no attention to union matters or the contract, G4 sure does talk a lot about them, doesn't he? The contradictions coming from his screen name here leave one's head spinning, unless of course you realize that he's being paid to try to divide the pilot group and make some ridiculous pitch for management (which through reason and logic has been shot down). He won't go away until this latest issue has been resolved, then we'll see him and B19 again come contract time. All the while he's claiming he doesn't visit the union message board and doesn't know the issues affecting the pilot group. Interesting.

 

[G4dude]

For claiming he pays no attention to union matters or the contract, G4 sure does talk a lot about them, doesn't he? The contradictions coming from his screen name here leave one's head spinning, unless of course you realize that he's being paid to try to divide the pilot group and make some ridiculous pitch for management (which through reason and logic has been shot down). He won't go away until this latest issue has been resolved, then we'll see him and B19 again come contract time. All the while he's claiming he doesn't visit the union message board and doesn't know the issues affecting the pilot group. Interesting.

What's even worse, I am doing all this for FREE.

 

[G4dude]

For claiming he pays no attention to union matters or the contract, G4 sure does talk a lot about them, doesn't he? The contradictions coming from his screen name here leave one's head spinning, unless of course you realize that he's being paid to try to divide the pilot group and make some ridiculous pitch for management (which through reason and logic has been shot down). He won't go away until this latest issue has been resolved, then we'll see him and B19 again come contract time. All the while he's claiming he doesn't visit the union message board and doesn't know the issues affecting the pilot group. Interesting.

I don't know what you are worried about, IMAC. You have the numbers. I freely admit my view is in the minority. I just enjoy the conversation.

 

[jtf]

Thanks for that info, but I wonder. Is it compassionate to take other people's money to help my loved one? Shouldn't my loved one's loved ones pony up, including me, which, by the way, I am doing as we speak? Why is it compassionate for a third party to take from Peter to pay Paul? Its a really good deal for Paul, but what about Peter? It is also a good deal for the third party, who gets to talk about how compassionate he is, with Other People's Money. Just sayin.

FLMA only guarantees the time off- your saved vacation and sick time are your pay and when they run out, you are no longer paid, but you will have a job to come back to. There could be individual companies that for one reason or another offer pay on FLMA leave that doesn't come out of sick our vacation days, but that is not the law.

 

[G4dude]

FLMA only guarantees the time off- your saved vacation and sick time are your pay and when they run out, you are no longer paid, but you will have a job to come back to. There could be individual companies that for one reason or another offer pay on FLMA leave that doesn't come out of sick our vacation days, but that is not the law.

Thanks for the clarification, jtf.

 

[ProFracPilot]

FLMA only guarantees the time off- your saved vacation and sick time are your pay and when they run out, you are no longer paid, but you will have a job to come back to. There could be individual companies that for one reason or another offer pay on FLMA leave that doesn't come out of sick our vacation days, but that is not the law.

But maybe not the job you left. There are loop holes in that law big enough to drive a G-IV through.

I don't know NJ's CBA inside and out, but I'm fairly certain your flying job is protected - by the CBA - for however long you're on medical leave. You don't have to accept that negotiated benefit if you don't want to - feel free to give your job to someone else.

 

[squonk]

Once you used up your leave and vacation time you'd revert to something like an LOA. Your job would be secure.

 

[G4dude]

Once you used up your leave and vacation time you'd revert to something like an LOA. Your job would be secure.

So the company could fill my position while I was out, but would have to give it back to me when I can fly again?

 

[Semore Butts]

I don't think they would "fill your position"

But if the company approved your LOA, you would get your job back.

(That is all explained in the contract)

You didn't have that in writing at NJI?????Hmmmm?????

I hope you also have the Loss of License insurance the Union made available last spring?

Hope your feeling well today, I figured you were a little crabby today since I just got done rebuffing your post on the other thread.

Lastly, since your laid up sick at home READ THE CONTRACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Really, we are all stuck in this together, we can use all the educated pilots we can get.

Have a good one G4! Semore

(Hell, we aren't even being shot at for Petes sakes!)

 

[G4dude]

But if the company approved your LOA, you would get your job back.

(That is all explained in the contract)

You didn't have that in writing at NJI?????Hmmmm?????

I hope you also have the Loss of License insurance the Union made available last spring?

Hope your feeling well today, I figured you were a little crabby today since I just got done rebuffing your post on the other thread.

Lastly, since your laid up sick at home READ THE CONTRACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Really, we are all stuck in this together, we can use all the educated pilots we can get.

Have a good one G4! Semore

(Hell, we aren't even being shot at for Petes sakes!)

Heck Semore, I can't even force myself to read the Rules of Golf, and I have been playing for 41 years! It is a character flaw, I know, and I should read the contract. We mouthbreathing conservatives are not good readers anyway.

 

[ozpilot]

Thanks for that info, but I wonder. Is it compassionate to take other people's money to help my loved one? Shouldn't my loved one's loved ones pony up, including me, which, by the way, I am doing as we speak? Why is it compassionate for a third party to take from Peter to pay Paul? Its a really good deal for Paul, but what about Peter? It is also a good deal for the third party, who gets to talk about how compassionate he is, with Other People's Money. Just sayin.

A little off topic, but I've found this to be the prevailing view amongst a lot of conservatives in this country. A group that claims to be predominately Christian. I find the contradiction interesting.

I want to live in a country where people take care of each other.

 

[G4dude]

A little off topic, but I've found this to be the prevailing view amongst a lot of conservatives in this country. A group that claims to be predominately Christian. I find the contradiction interesting.

I want to live in a country where people take care of each other.

I believe people's loved ones should take care of those who can't take care of themselves. If, however, everyone takes care of everyone else, the perverse incentives reward those who don't BOTHER to take care of themselves, bankrupting the hard workers. I am related to several poor people who are poor because that's how they choose to live, and they know the welfare system will bail them out. I and other conservatives believe in personal compassion, not compassion with other people's money.

 

[G4dude]

A little off topic, but I've found this to be the prevailing view amongst a lot of conservatives in this country. A group that claims to be predominately Christian. I find the contradiction interesting.

I want to live in a country where people take care of each other.

Be careful what you wish for, OZ. The welfare states are all going broke as we speak. 2012 is gonna be an UGLY year.

 

[OPECJet]

A little off topic, but I've found this to be the prevailing view amongst a lot of conservatives in this country. A group that claims to be predominately Christian. I find the contradiction interesting.

I want to live in a country where people take care of each other.

Take care of each other as in help you change a tire when you're stuck on the side of the road? Hells yeah, I'll even stop and help if it's raining. That's how we roll in the South. You work hard, take care of your family but don't make much money and have to choose between eating dinner that night or paying a bill? I'll cook extra that night and ya'll can come on over.

Take care of each other as in put food on your table because you're a lazy SOB and won't do it yourself? Nope. Enjoy your diet, Ace.

There's taking care of each other, then there's propping up people who won't do for themselves. We are turning into a nation of propping people up who won't do for themselves. Much like Europe has been doing for several years now. Look how that's turning out....

 

[Jack Campbell]

A little off topic, but I've found this to be the prevailing view amongst a lot of conservatives in this country. A group that claims to be predominately Christian. I find the contradiction interesting.

I want to live in a country where people take care of each other.

You do. Christians are very generous with their hard-earned money. We give it to our churches and they, in turn, give it to the community to help those who need food and clothes. We also donate our time and talents for people who need it. I'm sure there are other religions who do the same thing.
I think what you are referring to is the idea that Christians don't want the GOVERNMENT to force us to give it money, in the form of taxes, to fund programs that our against our moral beliefs. I don't see that as a contradiction.

 

[squonk]

So the company could fill my position while I was out, but would have to give it back to me when I can fly again?

Come on G...

Let's think about this for a second. When is the last time we hired here? Not only that, on the levels we were hiring it wasn't a one for one exchange. It was based on projected growth and that had many factors involved.

I did a little legwork for you. Took me five seconds on "the Google". Just perusing the first page it looks like there may be a 12 week limit stipulated but I'm positive you could take an extended LOA from the company if you had extenuating circumstances.

The point I think myself and others are making is that you need to familiarize yourself with our contract and any federal laws that my make your life a little easier.

Political dogma be damned.

http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/benefits-leave/fmla.htm

 

[G4dude]

Come on G...

Let's think about this for a second. When is the last time we hired here? Not only that, on the levels we were hiring it wasn't a one for one exchange. It was based on projected growth and that had many factors involved.

I did a little legwork for you. Took me five seconds on "the Google". Just perusing the first page it looks like there may be a 12 week limit stipulated but I'm positive you could take an extended LOA from the company if you had extenuating circumstances.

The point I think myself and others are making is that you need to familiarize yourself with our contract and any federal laws that my make your life a little easier.

Political dogma be damned.

http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/benefits-leave/fmla.htm

Fair enough!

 

[doylehargraves]

A little off topic, but I've found this to be the prevailing view amongst a lot of conservatives in this country. A group that claims to be predominately Christian. I find the contradiction interesting.

I want to live in a country where people take care of each other.

Yeah, "christians". It's funny that the entire republican party is comprised mainly of christians, yet when it comes to issues, they should really be voting democrat. Democrats are all about social programs (helping people), and republicans are all about helping rich people and saving unborn babies. I'm not so sure Jesus had reducing taxes for the wealthy as part of his plan.....

 

[surveypilot]

Christians believe that taking care of people (social programs) should be accomplished through family and the church, not the federal government. While I would say that most Christians are Republican, I would not say that most Republicans are Christian.

Yeah, "christians". It's funny that the entire republican party is comprised mainly of christians, yet when it comes to issues, they should really be voting democrat. Democrats are all about social programs (helping people), and republicans are all about helping rich people and saving unborn babies. I'm not so sure Jesus had reducing taxes for the wealthy as part of his plan.....