Waste Management & EJA

[NJACrewservicer]

Snakeplt, I have had pilots refuse airlines that go over 14 hours. It is not a decision process that we are involved with. I used to get upset when I was new. I wanted my managers to see that I showed an intrest in the company's profit margin. Now, however, after 5 years, it doesn't bother me. I know that it is a decision scheduling has made and now has to live with the consequences. Obviously. management has a clue what is going on. I don't disagree with your decsion. I can't say the extra few hundred dollars doesn't sound appealing to me.

We all care about profitability. Profitability is where our raises come from. When a flight manager sees a pilot going over 14, he/she is upset at the situation, nothing personal, just cutting into our profit margin and therefore cutting into our raise. Unfortuantley, we don't have a graded pay scale like you folks and our raises are a outcome of performance and profit.

Thank you for your kind words regarding us. Most of the folks up here do a good job and really care about the company and our growth.

BTW, you wouldn't want to give me those initials of that 1 person would you?

 

[Diesel]

Actually nja crew service it's 800 bucks at least in OT pay when scheduling screws up and can't get me home in 14hrs. So it's not just a couple of hundred. it's a whole lotta money.

peee ess "licence to screw with pilots schedules" It might be tounge in cheek but it still shows the mentality upstairs.

 

[Snakeplt]

Well I do appreciate the explanation. HER first initial was "H." She is gone...what a pig !

 

[x402]

We all care about profitability. Profitability is where our raises come from.

It might be time to add a collective bargining unit to your wish list upstairs. Profits are a very funny thing when it comes time for mgt. to hand out money.

 

[NJACrewservicer]

Diesel, I think I have explained that before. There is a little sarcasim there. A lot of the pilots think that it us that "screw with their schedule".


Snakeplt, I know who you are referring to. Yes, she is gone. She moved to DTS where her boyfriend/fiance is serving with the Navy. Man, you have been here a while.

x402, "collective bargining", I saw what that did the FLOPS fellas when they tried that, no thanks. I may not get paid what I would like, he!!, who does, but at least I am collecting a paycheck now.

 

[boxhauler]

NJA Crewservicer - glad to see you posting over here. I know you can't get on our board but you can sure get a flavor for what's going on on the road over here. Most of us know that the decisions that screw us come from elsewhere and just pass through you folks, but there are some FM's up there that take it personally when one of us just tries to abide by the same contract that the company signed. Then it's "I'll show him" time. That's where you get your bad rep. There are only a few from what I hear and maybe only one in my fleet. The schedulers, are a different story. They waste more money in this company than management knows, and management suffers from the "It wasn't invented here" syndrome. We've got lots of experience and brainpower out there but most are not sharing with this management not. It's called "WOE is me" Withdrawal of Enthusiasm.

Keep your hand in here.

 

[Lord Wakefield]

The people in the flight centre are NOT screen readers, if they are that makes you a BUS DRIVER...

I wish they thought that highly of us but see the "Job in CMH" thread. Bus drivers make more and get a lot more respect!

Apply now, and get a low seniority number

 

[Udonche]

Lmao

Now THIS, is entertainment!!!!!!




Gotta love the internet!

 

[CRAWDADDY]

Now THIS, is entertainment!!!!!!

I think there's going to be a lot of waste better managed when S.U. files for single carrier. But heck, it took a Weak Union to get better rates for hotels!

 

[rajflyboy]

For some reason at Netjets the Schedulers are not held accountable for the millions of dollars of cash they waist on a daily basis.

Flight Managers are cool. Its the schedulers that really make me wonder sometimes. Why does Netjets give them whatever they want? They are not held accountable for Sh*t? Its crazy. Boisture needs to step up and fix this problem ASAP.

 

[Sarka]

For some reason at Netjets the Schedulers are not held accountable for the millions of dollars of cash they waist on a daily basis.

Flight Managers are cool. Its the schedulers that really make me wonder sometimes. Why does Netjets give them whatever they want? They are not held accountable for Sh*t? Its crazy. Boisture needs to step up and fix this problem ASAP.

I can agree with you on one thing. Flight Managers are cool.

Schedulers get questioned, blamed and second-guessed every time a trip does not go as it was suposed to go. Every Monday-morning-quarterback in the company thinks they have a better solution or can do what we do, better than we can. We hear it from Management, Owner Services, Pilots, Crew Services, etc. We are held accountable for every trip and every problem, even the one's that are beyond our control (wx, ops reviews, late pax, etc.). We are always under a microscope and hear about every complaint or problem. I understand that this comes with the job and am not complaining about it, but I don't need to hear this from someone who has never done this job. Please correct me if I'm wrong about this.

I know I cannot do your job and would never say I could do your job or tell you how to fly. Before bashing schedulers, please feel free to come to CMH and do my job for one day (not just watch for one or two hours). I am sure you would see that it is not as simple or easy as you and many other seem to believe.

I could easily make generalized comments about how our pilots have "wasted millions of dollars on a daily basis", but I know that this is not true of most of our pilots. Most of our pilots are true professionals and do their best to to get the job done. Many times under the worst conditions and after some very long days (especially lately). Unfortunately, you do not always see the entire picture.

Currently, on any given day, there are 300-400 owner trips a day that the schedulers are responsible for. Depending on the aircraft you fly, you may be involved with 1 to possibly 8 of those trips. There are too many variables to mention that affect the way the schedule shakes out, but one problem (ops review, wx delay, crewmember DNIF or family emergency, late pax, ATC delay, airline or transportation problem, hotel boot, etc.) can affect as many as 10 to 12 different aircraft in order to resolve that one incident.

Our main job is to cover the owner's trip on time in the most efficient manner possible. But, trust me, the number one concern for the owner, management, Owner Services, etc. is that we "cover" (or recover) the owner's trip as soon as possible. Efficiency and everything else is a distant second. This is not an excuse, but simply a fact.

Sorry for the rant, but when you post generalized accusations such as this I cannot sit and ignore it. Please provide some examples of the "millions of dollars of cash they waist (waste) on a daily basis" and let me know what the "whatever they want" is that NetJets gives us (besides the all-too-often blame and second-guessing). I would love to know.

Lastly, I cordially invite you to "walk in my shoes" for a day. And, no I would not want to walk in yours. But, I am not critisizing your job either.

 

[LR45JI]

Sarka,

You make a very good point. Here are some examples of why we feel that way so many times.

Three days ago: Ferry from Wisconsin to Houston (2.7 hours) to do a pax trip from HOU-SAT (.5 hours). Were we really the most logical crew for the trip? It was not a recovery, not a high demand day or 7/7 seam period.

We then ferried another 2.5 hours for a set-up in the morning. So, 5.2 hours of ferry and .5 of revenue in a calender day.

About a year ago, we ferried from Palm Springs to Boston!!!!!! To do a pax trip to HTO!!!!

That is where our perception of the waste comes from.

 

[rajflyboy]

Sarka:



You guys are obviously working with the current scheduling system with the best of your abilities. The sytem needs fixed. BB needs to fix it.

 

[gunfyter]

I have done the job... on a larger scale. Squadron Group and Wing level. I dont want to do it again. And at the same time being the PM and Owner Services.

Its like standing in the middle of a Large Circle. I have a baseball bat. I am surrounded by 50 pitching machines all throwing Fastballs from every direction. I gotta bat them all out as the come in while taking phone calls. Then a half dozen machines start throwing curveballs and another half dozen 100MPH nuckleballs.

No problem but here comes a change up....

NO I'd rather do my job.

One thing I know about jobs like that is that even a person who is excellent at doing it... that person can identify problems in the system. That person could fix eliminate or minimize such problems... BUT often authority is not granted by someone in the higher ranks.

 

[rajflyboy]

gunfyter:

I agree. The problem is in the higher ranks! Problem is not with individual schedulers!