Was that a landing?

[Wesb737fo]

" You know, I've personally flown over 194 missions...and I was shot down on every single one....come to think of it, I've never landed a plane in my life"

 

[enuffalready]

I hear you. All of those considerations are valid.

The thing that bothers me is all the extra energy (the millions of extra foot/pounds of brake energy) that has to be dissipated when somebody lands with all that extra speed.

And I'm not even trying to suggest that it's dangerous (in 99.99% of landings), it's just that it makes for an ugly, noisy, uncomfortable, graceless, passenger-slinging, hard braking type of roll-out when the fast-landers try to make the first (or second) turnoff.

sweet Jesus...

1. Pick up extra trip
2. use extra $ to go get hooker
3. repeat until you are well adjusted enough to fly with the rest of us

 

[dz505]

Old CA's "standard briefing"
Right plane.... Check
Right City..... Check
Right Airport.... Check
Right Runway.... Check
Is the bar still open.... Check
Hotel van.... Called

 

[Smarta$$]

"Logbook"

Where is that video? I can't find it anywhere!

 

[Smarta$$]

To the guy who said this thread shouldn't have been started... I disagree. Good entertainment value.

 

[rumpletumbler]

http://youtu.be/xE1rE2vxUyM

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Landing speeds. Predicated on a standard weight program calculation.

Yeah, yeah, yeah... everyone weighs 190/195 lbs with their roll-aboards. Yep, those checked bags are 30 lbs each.


Empty weight of the plane... yeah, that's accurate to the pound too. I mean they weighed the plane in a hangar right!? It must be 100% accurate when something weighs 70,000lbs +. I'm also sure the hangar floor was level to within .001% grade.


Let us not forget the landing fuel. The load indicated never fluctuates based on the pitch and the FMS burn never drifts. Yeah right.



So... compute to the knot, measure it with a micrometer, fly it like an astronaut. Guess what!? It's still wrong.

 

[flyboyike]

Millions of foot pounds and 1.21 giga watts oh my god Dude.....really, you are exactly why AF guys get the reputation. Every flight is a mission to mars.

Very true.

 

[Scrapdog]

I think I made a landing like that once during Navy Flight Training, I flared, nice smooth touchdown. My instructor yelling through the headset said "If I ever see a pussified (word?) landing like that again, you are going to get a down, Flaring is for civilians and Air Force winnies" In training we dragged the airplane to the airport with power at a constant angel of attack, took a power off cut to a firm landing.

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[Scrapdog]

Millions of foot pounds and 1.21 giga watts oh my god Dude.....really, you are exactly why AF guys get the reputation. Every flight is a mission to mars. 16,000 hours I've never even had a thought like that. BTW some of the worst pilots I have flown with were AF because of stuff like that.

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[ERfly]

Where is that video? I can't find it anywhere!

Ask and ye shall receive...

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/13404616/meet-the-new-fo

 

[aveator]

ROFLMAO....Shirley you gotta be kidding.....

 

[rumpletumbler]

Ask and ye shall receive...

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/13404616/meet-the-new-fo

LMAO. Spectacular!

 

[Data]

What happened to FI?

 

[Smarta$$]

Ask and ye shall receive...

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/13404616/meet-the-new-fo

You rock!

 

[pilotyip]

........

yea "whatever"

 

[Patriot328]

Measure it with a micrometer, mark it with a grease pencil and cut it with an axe... Modern aviation.

Just fly the ********************ing thing....

 

[waveflyer]

...

So juniority, have you been rehabilitated by this thread yet?
Or are you still privately thinking you're right?
Don't be silent if you got more thoughts- don't be beat into submission

 

[CapnVegetto]

Here's the premise, "Everybody takes off, but not everybody lands."

Obviously, the act of taking off would be hard to execute in any way that's different enough from any airline's operating manual's description of the act to fail to qualify as such.

However, at the other end, when it comes time to bring the flight to an end, it is possible (and the point of this post) to actually avoid landing the airplane.

"Was that a landing?" is the thought that goes through my mind when I fly with a guy who regularly touches down at speeds higher than Vref (by Vref I also mean Vat which is defined as "indicated airspeed at the threshold, 1.3 times Vso the stall speed in the landing configuration") or who touches down at a speed equal to or even higher than the computed Vtarget (Vref plus additives, where I work Vtarget is a minimum of Vref+5 knots and a maximum of Vref+20 knots).

I think that you can't call that a "landing". When you fly an aircraft to the runway at a speed that's above it's computed Vref, you haven't landed it. I'm willing to admit that it probably takes skill to put an aircraft smoothly onto a runway when it (the aircraft) is still well above its stall speed because at that speed it really wants to continue flying, especially if you're touching down at a speed as high as Vtarget.

So touching down at higher than Vref speed (or at or above Vtarget speed) isn't a real landing, instead it's simply flying the aircraft until it's completely out of altitude.

My interpretation of a "real landing" is that you've committed to ending the flight, which is to say that while you're still in the air you've begun reducing the thrust so as to reduce the aircraft's total energy state so that when it touches the ground it is below that of Vref and decreasing rapidly.

Dude. Head to the Dollar General and buy yourself a life.

NOW.

 

[Mookie]

Here's the premise, "Everybody takes off, but not everybody lands."

Obviously, the act of taking off would be hard to execute in any way that's different enough from any airline's operating manual's description of the act to fail to qualify as such.

However, at the other end, when it comes time to bring the flight to an end, it is possible (and the point of this post) to actually avoid landing the airplane.

"Was that a landing?" is the thought that goes through my mind when I fly with a guy who regularly touches down at speeds higher than Vref (by Vref I also mean Vat which is defined as "indicated airspeed at the threshold, 1.3 times Vso the stall speed in the landing configuration") or who touches down at a speed equal to or even higher than the computed Vtarget (Vref plus additives, where I work Vtarget is a minimum of Vref+5 knots and a maximum of Vref+20 knots).

I think that you can't call that a "landing". When you fly an aircraft to the runway at a speed that's above it's computed Vref, you haven't landed it. I'm willing to admit that it probably takes skill to put an aircraft smoothly onto a runway when it (the aircraft) is still well above its stall speed because at that speed it really wants to continue flying, especially if you're touching down at a speed as high as Vtarget.

So touching down at higher than Vref speed (or at or above Vtarget speed) isn't a real landing, instead it's simply flying the aircraft until it's completely out of altitude.

My interpretation of a "real landing" is that you've committed to ending the flight, which is to say that while you're still in the air you've begun reducing the thrust so as to reduce the aircraft's total energy state so that when it touches the ground it is below that of Vref and decreasing rapidly.

Lighten up, Francis....