Wall Street Jornal: NWA "reworks plan for merger"

[clippyrip]

This merger is going to happen and furlough protection is what we should be fighting for...

 

[NuGuy]

Our offer kept everyone within .05% of where they are at currently, which is a fact, and fair when blending like sized airlines (ours is larger in reality).

Nice spin Pvt. Lee, but in reality, the ratio the DAL team offered would have put several hundered NWA guys at the bottom.

Try again...

Nu

 

[General Lee]

Nice spin Pvt. Lee, but in reality, the ratio the DAL team offered would have put several hundered NWA guys at the bottom.

Try again...

Nu

Do you have that in writing? We were told, in writing, that our offer would have preserved everyone's seniority within .05% of their current location. We do have 2000 or so more pilots than you do, and a lot more planes, bases, and widebodies. You have a lot more old pilots with pensions and worse pay and workrules. Can you tell me what your MEC told you? I am willing to listen. Give me exactly what they said with regards to the SLI, because ours said .05%.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[johnsonrod]

Nice spin Pvt. Lee, but in reality, the ratio the DAL team offered would have put several hundered NWA guys at the bottom.

Try again...

Nu

Perhaps you could provide some details of your own to back that statement up. C'mon, give us some details...

I think it's pretty clear to everyone that the NWA side was too aggressive/confrontational from the start. How many people did you have involved in the initial discussions? 15 people vs. 3 from Delta? Looks like your lead negotiator from Republic dropped the ball on this one... If I were a junior NWA pilot right now I would be pi$$ed - just think about the potential increased pay and enhanced QOL someone else just busted for me... Not good. At least the senior 747-400 and A330 pilots should end up fine.

 

[jonjuan]

This merger is going to happen and furlough protection is what we should be fighting for...

This merger will not happen. No way, no how.

 

[Eagle757shark]

This merger will not happen. No way, no how.

When the CEO and President of Delta cancel their first trip from Atlanta to China with the Governor and city delegates to pursue talks with Northwest, it is a good indicator that an announcement may be just around the corner. Stay tuned! With fuel over $100 dollars a barrel and Aloha shutting down passenger operations, the executives will have everything they need to sell to the regulators.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I would not bet on that.

 

[DTW320]

A lot of people should be, thanks to your Merger Committee Chair with an agenda. The prior deal will look like the lottery after we are done now. You can't have your cake and eat it too, and that greenbook guy should take the heat from any NWA pilot who could get furloughed. A No Furlough clause was part of the last deal. Let's see if it is for this next one.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Revisionist History RobertE. We were told by our MEC, in writing, that while the SLI was still being actively negotiated, your management indicated that they would seek to renegotiate the economic package and no furlough provisions previously agreed to due to the changing economic picture.

You got a problem with any future deal not having a no furlough clause? Take it up with your buddy Dick Anderson. He's the one that pulled it off the table even before the outcome of the last attempt was known. But you know that and have known it for a few weeks.

 

[Superpilot92]

Perhaps you could provide some details of your own to back that statement up. C'mon, give us some details...

I think it's pretty clear to everyone that the NWA side was too aggressive/confrontational from the start. How many people did you have involved in the initial discussions? 15 people vs. 3 from Delta? Looks like your lead negotiator from Republic dropped the ball on this one... If I were a junior NWA pilot right now I would be pi$$ed - just think about the potential increased pay and enhanced QOL someone else just busted for me... Not good. At least the senior 747-400 and A330 pilots should end up fine.

Why would he give any info to you being that you dont work for either carrier yet feel the need to come on here and continually post flames? Why do you come on here and act this way but go on to the frax threads and kiss everyones a$$?

 

[General Lee]

Revisionist History RobertE. We were told by our MEC, in writing, that while the SLI was still being actively negotiated, your management indicated that they would seek to renegotiate the economic package and no furlough provisions previously agreed to due to the changing economic picture.

You got a problem with any future deal not having a no furlough clause? Take it up with your buddy Dick Anderson. He's the one that pulled it off the table even before the outcome of the last attempt was known. But you know that and have known it for a few weeks.

MR DOH DTW319,

Were you hired before July of 2001? If so, OUR WORKRULES will save your butt. Why? We still have a No Furlough Clause (they can't just take away--we kept ours in BK) for anyone hired before and including TBKANE. If you were hired after July 2001, then you may be affected, and it is all because of YOUR Greenbook Merger Committee Chair---who most likely won't be affected. Any offer they give will be a plus, not a minus, because we are not in section 6 talks--and if we do agree to a new PWA, then we can replace our current one, with the current work rules. We wouldn't accept a worse PWA. Nope. But, they don't have to EXTEND the No furlough clause to people hired after TBKANE---and that is the key. The last offer had a lot of plusses, and this one may NOT have as many. As far as our managment renegging, I think your management is now on the warpath. As a standalone, we will not furlough, primarily because we ACTUALLY HAVE PLANES COMING ON THE PROPERTY, even as we lost a few. Actually, we will have a net GAIN. How about you guys? Where are those 787s again? Any other new planes? You are losing how many DC9s this year? (Scheduled) Care to share with us how your side will help OUR TOTAL operation? Oh yeah, it 3-4 years you may be getting some 787s.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Superpilot92]

MR DOH DTW319,

Were you hired before July of 2001? If so, OUR WORKRULES will save your butt. Why? We still have a No Furlough Clause (they can't just take away--we kept ours in BK) for anyone hired before and including TBKANE. If you were hired after July 2001, then you may be affected, and it is all because of YOUR Greenbook Merger Committee Chair---who most likely won't be affected. Any offer they give will be a plus, not a minus, because we are not in section 6 talks. Nope. But, they don't have to EXTEND the No furlough clause to people hired after TBKANE---and that is the key. The last offer had a lot of plusses, and this one may NOT have as many. As far as our managment renegging, I think your management is now on the warpath. As a standalone, we will not furlough, primarily because we ACTUALLY HAVE PLANES COMING ON THE PROPERTY, even as we lost a few. Actually, we will have a net GAIN. How about you guys? Where are those 787s again? Any other new planes? You are losing how many DC9s this year? (Scheduled) Care to share with us how your side will help OUR TOTAL operation? Oh yeah, it 3-4 years you may be getting some 787s.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

Oh great the old GL is back, it was nice while it lasted, oh well......

 

[johnsonrod]

Why would he give any info to you being that you dont work for either carrier yet feel the need to come on here and continually post flames? Why do you come on here and act this way but go on to the frax threads and kiss everyones a$$?

I have both friends and family (uncle is a 764 PIC) who currently work for Delta. I don't have to work at either to have an opinion. Thanks for caring.

 

[General Lee]

Oh great the old GL is back, it was nice while it lasted, oh well......

Hey, I still have a good attitude, but some things have to be cleared up. If I were you, I would be upset that an additional no furlough clause could be going away. I hope it doesn't, but not agreeing to the previous offer may have consequences. I am not making fun of your DC9 anymore, which is a good thing.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[jonjuan]

When the CEO and President of Delta cancel their first trip from Atlanta to China with the Governor and city delegates to pursue talks with Northwest, it is a good indicator that an announcement may be just around the corner. Stay tuned! With fuel over $100 dollars a barrel and Aloha shutting down passenger operations, the executives will have everything they need to sell to the regulators.

This merger will not happen. No way, no how.

 

[DTW320]

MR DOH DTW319, DOH was never on the table....another FACT that even you know, yet ignore anyway. Why? Do you think displaying total ignorance makes you look cute?

Were you hired before July of 2001? If so, OUR WORKRULES will save your butt. Why? We still have a No Furlough Clause (they can't just take away--we kept ours in BK) for anyone hired before and including TBKANE. If you were hired after July 2001, then you may be affected, and it is all because of YOUR Greenbook Merger Committee ChairNope....wrong again....revisionist history brought on by spiked Koolaid again...as previously reported, it was taken OFF the table by Delta Airlines while the last "negotiation" (shhhhh....I know you think it was an "offer" but it was a negotiation)was still in progress.---who most likely won't be affected. Any offer they give will be a plus, not a minus, because we are not in section 6 talks--and if we do agree to a new PWA, then we can replace our current one, with the current work rules. We wouldn't accept a worse PWA. Nope. Really? Oil is easily twice what it was when you went BKBut, they don't have to EXTEND the No furlough clause to people hired after TBKANE---and that is the key. The last offer had a lot of plusses, and this one may NOT have as many.May? It won't. It won't because the airline economics have gone in the tank since this merger idea was first considered. That's why Dickie Anderson started backpedaling right out of the gate. Which is exactly why NWAALPA resisted financial carrots that wouldn't have lasted a month, apparently, to avoid a SLI that would have lasted forever. As far as our managment renegging, I think your management is now on the warpath. As a standalone, we will not furlough, primarily because we ACTUALLY HAVE PLANES COMING ON THE PROPERTY, even as we lost a few. Actually, we will have a net GAIN. How about you guys? Where are those 787s again? Any other new planes? You are losing how many DC9s this year? (Scheduled) Care to share with us how your side will help OUR TOTAL operation?I don't know....access to Asia? Ask Dick why HE pursued it in the first place. While your talking to him, ask why he canceled his travel plans this past weekend. K?Was it to rewire MD88's? Oh yeah, it 3-4 years you may be getting some 787s.....Really? 2011 or 2012 before we get the first one as the launch N. American customer? You wanna stand by that ASSertion?


Bye Bye--General Lee

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